So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

[Archaell]

If SE have no problem with perverted gear like this:



(Still traumatized from my first encounter with Garuda)

They can have no issue with cross-dressing. ._.

Btw. one would expect from the cosplaying nation to be a bit liberal when it comes to these things.

[Welsper59]

Honestly, I'm looking at this as purely numbers. I don't find the Gold Saucer male only set very attractive, but its male only (Only the Oasis and Riviera though, the Gambler is of course unisex) as a counter to their female only sets (all three are female only), and I find the two fair. Third one, not at all. While I'd prefer to have both gender options as unisex, I accept a male only and female only option. That's fair.

For male glamours, I mean items that are male only such as the Bohemian set, Oasis set, ect. Not anything that is masculine or feminine, but equipable to male characters.

While the numbers are clearly not "fair", I'm still at a loss as far as what could really be made to equalize the numbers. Male specific outfits aren't exactly abundant in relation to female specific outfits IRL, as far as sources go. I guess since you're going based on numbers, you'd be happy if bucket armors were male exclusive, that sort of thing? Personally, I really don't care for most female-only gear. I'd probably go as naked as possible if I had a male character to glamour. I just think the numbers aren't very important, but rather the substance is. Unfortunately, as I stated, male specific looks aren't exactly overflowing in the world of fashion. I'm fairly sure that the only things most of us would think of is some generic rehash of something already in the game. Maybe someone actually has a unique idea or two, but that's still far from reaching near equal.

Womens fashion is just much easier to work with by default, which is why there is more to it. I mean, imagine someone like Vin Diesel in something like the bunny outfit or something Katy Perry would wear. Humorous, but not exactly appeasing to the eyes for nearly everyone, including much of the gay community. Now think of something that he would look good in, then think if a woman could pull it off as well. Muscle shirts, for example, are widely seen as masculine and sexy on fit men... but put a woman in one, and it's also seen as sexy. Besides that, the concept of "playing barbie", as some folks would say, isn't exactly fun to a lot of male gamers. Mind you, that's an extremely ignorant outlook for many obvious reasons, but it's still one that many (dominantly) male gamers stick to when it comes to attire, but not how the customization of the character model looks, hypocritically. Mind you, I'm all for them making female only attire unisex, as it'd make things a lot more entertaining and expressive, if not to just make the ratio closer to equal, but it's fairly clear why there are understandably more female clothing than male.

[Kaiser-Ace]

My Glamour's are almost always diffrent suits or Armor or one of several "Trench Coat" Glamour's like my Strife Set glamoured with the Garlond Goggles and Odin Weapons (PLD) or the same set with the Balmung on Drk.

Now, as for the female exclusive gear, my main retainer (aka the one I started with at lvl 20) is my "Market Goddess" whom I quite frequently dress up and show off at the FC HQ.

There are options for female "Sexy Fashion" but Male's definitely get the Lion's Share of bad ass armors. Because almost all normal armors look more bad ass on males. (Mage gear, not so much)

[Shikiseki]

C'mon don't bash SE - they even forgot to give us guys pants for this Halloween event - that's how much they care about that ;P

Just oblivious, that's all, designing all the female dresses and just forget the male counterpart

[Terrini]

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See, the discrepancies in acceptable fashion that bars males from more outfits than females is precisely why there is a lobby of "Just make the female gears unisex too." There really is no reason that a girl can't wear something just as good or even better than a guy - add a bra and any shirtless option is completely acceptable... I have a butch female character that I roleplay and thinking on her wavelength all of the cutesy female styles are disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a male character that loves skirts and showing skin, and if female outfits became available, I'd definitely consider the options.

Spring dress? Drop the big bow and flowers and instead make it a simple sash with the ends hanging loose, and maybe tone down a few ruffles and make it an open collar top instead of one that drapes the shoulders. - Makes it more masculine with minimal changes.

Bunny Outfit? Make the top a vest and remove the bows from the shoes and the tiara from the bunny ears. Voila, more masculine.

Thavnairian Bustier? There's a whole thread of options.

Just because the base concept is feminine doesn't mean it can't be tweaked to suit males. Please give us more options!

[Welsper59]

See, the discrepancies in acceptable fashion that bars males from more outfits than females is precisely why there is a lobby of "Just make the female gears unisex too." There really is no reason that a girl can't wear something just as good or even better than a guy - add a bra and any shirtless option is completely acceptable... I have a butch female character that I roleplay and thinking on her wavelength all of the cutesy female styles are disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a male character that loves skirts and showing skin, and if female outfits became available, I'd definitely consider the options.

Spring dress? Drop the big bow and flowers and instead make it a simple sash with the ends hanging loose, and maybe tone down a few ruffles and make it an open collar top instead of one that drapes the shoulders. - Makes it more masculine with minimal changes.

Bunny Outfit? Make the top a vest and remove the bows from the shoes and the tiara from the bunny ears. Voila, more masculine.

Thavnairian Bustier? There's a whole thread of options.

Just because the base concept is feminine doesn't mean it can't be tweaked to suit males. Please give us more options!

See that's understandable, and as I said, I'm all for that. You gotta remember though that there's more than that argument going on. Some folks, like the guy I quoted earlier, were looking at things by numbers. You are arguing for the option to use female attire on males. Looking at those two arguments, both would essentially be settled by making female-only equips unisex... at least most of them. The swimwear, bikini ones specifically, I can see why there'd be no point to that, given what's already available for males.

Then comes the other argument though. There are folks that are looking for my mentioned "substance" when it comes to glamour. Something that screams "masculine". To them, they cry about the unfair difference of numbers and demand masculine male-only gear to make it equal. That's where I raise the question to them, of what exactly could be done to equal things out in that way, that isn't already in the game?

Edit: One thing I forgot to ask about, in regards to your alterations to female-only gear. What about the fishnets on the legs for the bunny outfit? I'm assuming we're aiming for what is widely considered masculine that's why. Slacks or tights already exist.

[Eidolon]

imagine someone like Vin Diesel in something like the bunny outfit or something Katy Perry would wear. Humorous, but not exactly appeasing to the eyes for nearly everyone, including much of the gay community.

Vin diesel is my mancrush. If he wore a bunny outfit I'd probably still have the most awkward straightboner for him as a man.

No homo though >_> Everyone gets one!

[Welsper59]

Vin diesel is my mancrush. If he wore a bunny outfit I'd probably still have the most awkward straightboner for him as a man.

No homo though >_> Everyone gets one!

Well if you already have a thing for someone, it's a bit different lol. Although I'd say the Katy Perry outfits (like the ones she wore when performing on the Super Bowl) would result in more of a laugh than the awkward boner situation with the bunny outfit. Maybe the awkward boner following the laugh, okay.

[DracotheDragon]

oh hey it's this thread again, for now what i can say is we have been given a small sneak peek and haven't seen all of the outfits that may be coming in 3.1 there may be some male only outfits so lets hope and see,

as for everyone else in this thread see you in the almost seemingly mandatory WHERE THE MENS CLOATHS in the sneak peek of 3.2 thread

[Terrini]

Edit: One thing I forgot to ask about, in regards to your alterations to female-only gear. What about the fishnets on the legs for the bunny outfit? I'm assuming we're aiming for what is widely considered masculine that's why. Slacks or tights already exist.

Frankly, I figured the more masculine equivalents already exist in game as Best Man's Slacks and Lord's Knickers - to make it part of the "set" it would involve adding a little bunny tail. But there has been people ASKING for the fishnets available to guys and this is "making the gear unisex" the same way that the Patrician's set is, and A thong with fishnets seems still acceptable to me while remaining the same item.