So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

[RazeLandale]

There's very little reason to make something male specific. Like, they'd still have made the riviera doublet even if they didn't make the call to make it male exclusive. You aren't getting more by making something male exclusive, it's just the people playing female getting less.

The only reason to make something exclusive is if it's showing a whole lot of chest. And even that can often be worked around with a few alterations, like the thavnairian bolero. They could easily have made that male exclusive, but...why? You don't have less options because they didn't.

[Nestama]

Some players playing male characters wouldn't mind cross-dressing :T

I wouldn't (I already got my dream glamours... though a proper vest would be nice), but I know there are players who would.

[Lego3400]

There's very little reason to make something male specific. Like, they'd still have made the riviera doublet even if they didn't make the call to make it male exclusive. You aren't getting more by making something male exclusive, it's just the people playing female getting less.

The only reason to make something exclusive is if it's showing a whole lot of chest. And even that can often be worked around with a few alterations, like the thavnairian bolero. They could easily have made that male exclusive, but...why? You don't have less options because they didn't.

The reverse is also true. The female outfit that corresponds to the bolero could have been modified to work for male characters (Replace the top with more jewelry for the most part). We could have easily made that outfit unisex with only a few alterations but... why didn't they? Females have more because they didn't!

Notice how I spun your argument around very easily and used most of your own words? It's because your argument fell apart before you even said it. Men DO Have less because female exlusives exist. You either need to make ONE unisex outfit, or TWO gender locked outfits. Not One Unisex and one Female Locked. The riviera doublet is done right. An exampel of it done wrong in the same location is the bunny outfit, that could have easily been made to be a Chippendales style outfit on men. But they didn't.

[Lukha]

I've noticed a few people trying to imply that the people upset about males getting fewer glamour items are angry because they are sexist (against women), and I have to point out why this is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Who benefits the most from female characters being given cute/sexy outfits to wear? Who are these cute/sexy outfits made to please? Male players. The devs, operating under the assumption that the majority of their player base are horny young men, are making items which they feel cater to those players and their interests.

Who would benefit from male characters being given cute/sexy outfits to wear? Female players, a demographic often ignored by game developers even as they claim they want our business but don't know how to please us, since their 'girl traps' baited with pink consoles and candy invariably fail. (Protip: All we ACTUALLY want is to be treated the same as male gamers. Eye candy is fine as long as we get some, too.).

You aren't getting more by making something male exclusive, it's just the people playing female getting less.

So then you agree that there should be no female exclusive gear, since that just means the people playing male characters are getting less?

why? You don't have less options because they didn't.

No, we have fewer options because they chose to make our set unisex and still give the females their exclusive set. Iin the Thavnarian set scenario, at least; In the CURRENT situation, with a new version of the bunny set and Minfillia's set being announced, we just have fewer options because someone at SE said screw the people who want to make their male characters look cute.

[Lego3400]

the CURRENT situation, with a new version of the bunny set and Minfillia's set being announced, we just have fewer options because someone at SE said screw the people who want to make their male characters look cute.

I'm hopeing they learn and do the new bunny suit right and do it like I mentioned above.

[BreathlessTao]

I'm hopeing they learn and do the new bunny suit right and do it like I mentioned above.

Wouldn't hold my breath tbh. In any case, nobody even said anything about a new bunny suit as far as I'm concerned - they showed a picture of the floppy bunny ears is all, which a) was promised months ago, I think even before HW was released; b) is already worn at least by one NPC in the GS btw, so really not sure what took them so long (not sure if it's the same as I haven't seen the picture myself, but yeah); c) for all we know they either make that female-exclusive as well, or make it unisex and leave the original one untouched.

On the whole, what's funny is the fact that if the situation was reverse, and the male characters were favoured with both exclusive and unisex outfits, the girls (the actual girl players, but especially those also playing girl characters) would have been in a very loud s×××storm outrage, after the very first such occasion, over discrimination, sexism, whatnot - things that really aren't (or wouldn't be) there, but words which are baits, which make situations look worse than they are just to get more attention, because it would be oh-so-unfair and how would they dare anyway. So much so that SE would have had to take several steps back asap and probably issue a public apology too.
This way though? Everything's fine and dandy and we guys should just stfu and accept the situation that "isn't serious" at all and "just optional" anyway and "well we have a custom dress, but I would you please give us more because it's not perfect as it is"...

Yeah, sorry if I'm a bit overly dramatic, but seeing things on news sites as well as tumblr, I can't envision any other scenario if the girls would be getting treated like this. -_-

[Serilda]

This way though? Everything's fine and dandy and we guys should just stfu and accept the situation that "isn't serious" at all and "just optional" anyway and "well we have a custom dress, but I would you please give us more because it's not perfect as it is"...

Yeah, sorry if I'm a bit overly dramatic, but seeing things on news sites as well as tumblr, I can't envision any other scenario if the girls would be getting shafted. -_-

No, look, can we please stop equating this with real life sexism? It's sexism, sure, but since anyone can pick their character's gender you can't say "People are only angry because it's men affected!" or "If it was women, this would have caused a real problem by now!" because a sizeable number of those affected are openly women. All this stance is doing is dividing a group being discriminated against and making half of your own allies feel bad needlessly.

I think it's distracting to focus on something like that. There are so many reasons for wanting equality in costume options, and so many reasons people might play a gender which doesn't match their own. Perhaps they like looking at sexily-dressed guys (whatever their real gender). Perhaps they're afraid of the precedent it sets for race-locking and other limitations in future. Perhaps they want to play a male character but don't want to lose glamour options. Perhaps they're just kind and want fairness for everyone.

Conversely, some of the people with female characters who strongly oppose the idea of equality are openly dudes, a fact which continues to baffle me.

(It has also been pointed out by another poster - using a female character on the forums - that the new bunny costume is an entirely new set with dye options. So we're being cheated out of much more than just ears, again.)

[Blood-Aki]

Pretty sure people understand the "why." Thats not the issue. Most of us here are saying "stop doing it that way."

You'll just have to get over the fact that it will always be that way, it's not generally accepted and thus they feel it's the same way in this game, remember only a small minority want cross dressing so don't expect it to ever come to stop "being that way" This is what most people fail to accept. i'm actually for more male styled outfits, but leave the "i want my guy to wear pretty miniskirts" out of it.

[Serilda]

You'll just have to get over the fact that it will always be that way, it's not generally accepted and thus they feel it's the same way in this game, remember only a small minority want cross dressing so don't expect it to ever come to stop "being that way" This is what most people fail to accept. i'm actually for more male styled outfits, but leave the "i want my guy to wear pretty miniskirts" out of it.

Interestingly, none of the costumes in question are miniskirts (pretty or otherwise). I believe we covered this in a previous thread. So I take it you support this topic fully and you have our back in the campaign for an equal number of glamour options, right?

I don't believe any of us have to 'get over' anything, so I'll be continuing to campaign until we get a decisive official response.

[Blood-Aki]

Interestingly, none of the costumes in question are miniskirts (pretty or otherwise). I believe we covered this in a previous thread. So I take it you support this topic fully and you have our back in the campaign for an equal number of glamour options, right?

I don't believe any of us have to 'get over' anything, so I'll be continuing to campaign until we get a decisive official response.

Actually yes i do, if males want more outfits more power to them, But female outfits fit females only for a reason, if that is your thing in real life that is your business but SEs knows cross dressing will never be accepted in this game. and understand why they do favor female outfits more.