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  1. #31
    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    There is NO, ZERO, NADA, added difficulty by Accuracy!
    And that is why Blizzard removed hit rating from WoW.

    Same problem as with accuracy here. You have no real gear choices if you are not over accuracy cap. Then you get to play "is there a piece with better secondaries and the same or better primary?"
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  2. #32
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Who in the world are you guys getting paired with in dungeons where you have that much downtime to DPS?

    My last 35 DF runs have been with tanks who don't use a single defensive cooldown to trash pulls, and thus, I'm there spamming physick/cure like a madman just to keep them alive. Being able to DPS is a luxury I haven't had since August xD.
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  3. #33
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    Who in the world are you guys getting paired with in dungeons where you have that much downtime to DPS?

    My last 35 DF runs have been with tanks who don't use a single defensive cooldown to trash pulls, and thus, I'm there spamming physick/cure like a madman just to keep them alive. Being able to DPS is a luxury I haven't had since August xD.
    Ummm, I can find time to DPS in almost any dungeon, even with DF groups. Sure there are rare occasions where the tank is undergeared or doesn't know that they have defensive CDs, but still throwing out at least a Shadow Flare and Miasma II every once in a while is in there.
    And especially in the Expert dungeons I DPS well over 50% of the time. The bosses are not scary, putting up DoTs on them pretty much every time they time out is certainly possible. And if you have a tank that knows how to tank, throw out a stonesking + Adlo + E4E, you can almost always Full DoT + Bane + Shadow Flare on trash pulls.
    Basically the only pull in Expert dungeons where I can't DPS is the 4-wasps + 2 Totems + Vanu + Treant one, but most tanks don't risk that one.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    Sure there are rare occasions where the tank is undergeared or doesn't know that they have defensive CDs.
    LOL I don't think it's rare anymore. Like I said, within the last 30-35 DFs, I've been paired with some of the worse tanks I've ever had in years. Not all of them, but most. Their HP drops so fast that they would die during the cleric stance cooldown. Yes, not even exaggerating. I haven't even touched the DF for the past 2 weeks because of it. I just lost all motivation to deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    LOL I don't think it's rare anymore. Like I said, within the last 30-35 DFs, I've been paired with some of the worse tanks I've ever had in years. Not all of them, but most. Their HP drops so fast that they would die during the cleric stance cooldown. Yes, not even exaggerating. I haven't even touched the DF for the past 2 weeks because of it. I just lost all motivation to deal with it.
    It's been quite a while since I healed anything but Expert R, Trial R or Alex Normal, so dunno. There is little to no reason to do Leveling roulette once you are 60, so maybe there are issues (and I remember some issues in specific Dungeons), but in the stuff I do heal, there is a TON of downtime and possible DPS.
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  6. #36
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    SchalaZeal's Avatar
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    Schala Zeal
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    So you suggest we are supposed to sit back and twiddle thumbs more than 50% of a dungeon run? Sounds fun...
    You make it sound as if you have a choice between exactly above acc cap (100% hit) and 30-35% hit or even 0% hit. If it's the difference between 90-95% hit and 100% hit, I'll gladly take the hit for a better Adlo going crit.
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    Kabz Il
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    Spriggan
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    There's really no need for a complaint thread on this. Every job will spec themselves for the stats they feel are ideal, and for Scholars it happens to be accuracy because we need it and can dish out good DPS. I'm actually looking forward to meld accuracy a lot more conveniently onto gear.

    Also I don't think this negatively impacts healers in general. As far as I know it's only Scholars who would be expected (and rightfully so) to try reaching accuracy requirements, and even then only those who are doing Savage.
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  8. #38
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Psh I don't even care with Accuracy. I'll just do Bio and Bio 2 (And Shadow Flare) if people want me DPS since it's 100% gives DoT . I prefer put some Mind or Crit since SCH need moar Glorious Critical Adloquium.
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  9. #39
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    Nyaano Nohea
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    Healers main duty is healing. If you choose to dps on top of that, you'll have to live with the limitations put on you.
    If you want to main dps, go dps.

    I know that a lot of scholars see themselves as dps with healing as a sidejob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchalaZeal View Post
    You make it sound as if you have a choice between exactly above acc cap (100% hit) and 30-35% hit or even 0% hit. If it's the difference between 90-95% hit and 100% hit, I'll gladly take the hit for a better Adlo going crit.
    Healer gear does NOT have any accuracy, I am currently sitting 354 with no way to make it higher without somehow getting my hands on Pentamelded gear...
    This causes me to miss even on stuff like Bosses in the Expert dungeons, which are often solo-healable by the fairy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    There's really no need for a complaint thread on this. Every job will spec themselves for the stats they feel are ideal, and for Scholars it happens to be accuracy because we need it and can dish out good DPS. I'm actually looking forward to meld accuracy a lot more conveniently onto gear.

    Also I don't think this negatively impacts healers in general. As far as I know it's only Scholars who would be expected (and rightfully so) to try reaching accuracy requirements, and even then only those who are doing Savage.
    Yeah, will see how this stuff changes, but I would still rather SE got rid of this useless hit rate system, since it brings nothing good to the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nekodar View Post
    Healers main duty is healing. If you choose to dps on top of that, you'll have to live with the limitations put on you.
    If you want to main dps, go dps.

    I know that a lot of scholars see themselves as dps with healing as a sidejob.
    Healing is not a full-time job outside of a few very specific duties/pulls.
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