/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[Sleigh]

Most healers play how they'll play on any given pull. If after the first pull your WHM was C2 spamming while you were at 90% HP and didn't once DPS, odds are he's going to do the same the rest of the pulls. Likewise if the WHM puts out CS Assize, Holy X6, and Aero III, odds are he's going to do the same if given the opportunity every chance he can.

Honestly if Holy is too much of a burden on your MP without Blood Price, just drop Grit and Blood Weapon. You're apparently not getting hit anyway.

[Kabooa]

7 Seconds of Stun equates to 3 global cool downs.

3 Global Cooldowns is roughly 25-30% of your MP. Pulling at 25-30% of your MP means somehow, in someway, with multiple ways of restoring MP, you ended the last pull at close to 0% and ran to pull the next pack near immediately.

-That isn't an issue with White Mages. That's an issue of poor planning and lack of foresight.-

The only time MP should be an issue is on a single target with Dark Arts spamming. Every other scenario your MP gain is positive, and this only increases further in AoE packs -even assuming wasting 7 seconds of Blood Price duration due to Holy Spam-.

PS- Holy Spam means the FULL DURATIOn of the stun isn't being applied. The Stun is applied when the DR duration is greater than the current duration. This means that you aren't even dealing with the full 7 seconds of stun; More realistically it's 5. (4s to 2s, 2s is reapplied, 1s applied, immune). 10s of Blood Price on a respectable AoE pack is full MP.

Period, end of story. MP Management is part of being a Dark Knight, and they have so many ways of getting it back, being in a position to be OOM because a White Mage went holy happy is entirely the Dark Knight's fault. There is no way around that.

[Mutemutt]

There are certain situations where the only possible way to do it wrong is ineptitude.
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Eh... but by a similar token, a whm actively impeding a tank's ability to gain the mp necessary to make that pull work out would also be a show of ineptitude in my eyes (probably even worse since they'd be chaining them together over 7 secs rather than the one button press for drk's bloodprice).

People seem to be taking a very "my way or the highway" approach to this. Still I guess the takeaway I'm getting from this thread is this: if you somehow mess up and end a pull with pretty low mp, as long as you don't have a whm as the healer, you are ok to keep things moving anyway. In this case that you have a whm for a healer, you have play it safe and wait for mp regen.

And yes, I'm normally running these dungeons as a holy spamming whm.

[Imoen]

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Like I said I'm done, you got it all figured out, im not going to argue and draw you a picture. I'm not here to make enemies, if you can't see it you can't see it.

In before the almost inevitable "why are you still here then?" (from someone)

I'm done arguing about it, not done posting on and reading forums.

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Roughly , yes.

Particularly with a DRK that is learning and hasn't encountered holy bomb in the party or a 60 experienced DRK that derps. (or is just straight up not as skilled.) I personally think it is just something WHMs should be aware of, because it effects them too. I doubt you will run into it often. Not often enough to require a Macro like the OP showed. But who really rolls into duty finder expecting perfection? lol

There are a few scenarios you can get into where you become almost completely dry just to not knowing it is coming, if it comes later than normal (pre-60 content), just because of the way the timing/ticks and queuing abilities works out, and has variables that are dependent on the DPS you are with, but I'm exhausted, it is rare, and that was never really the point.

[Meow9000]

This is a really silly thread lol I main DRK and I've never had this problem before for a few reasons

Blood price has a 40 second cool down. Often pulls will last long enough to pop a second one if you pop BP right from the start.

Syphon strike/Sole Survivor are a pretty solid way to regenerate mp during a pull.

Stun immunity comes rather quickly and even then you're still getting hit by by the mobs in between holy casts

All I can say is


Gitgudson

[Iagainsti]

Like I said I'm done, you got it all figured out, im not going to argue and draw you a picture. I'm not here to make enemies, if you can't see it you can't see it.

In before the almost inevitable "why are you still here then?" (from someone)

I'm done arguing about it, not done posting on and reading forums.



Roughly , yes.

Particularly with a DRK that is learning and hasn't encountered holy bomb in the party or a 60 experienced DRK that derps. (or is just straight up not as skilled.) I personally think it is just something WHMs should be aware of, because it effects them too. I doubt you will run into it often. Not often enough to require a Macro like the OP was suggesting. But who really rolls into duty finder expecting perfection? lol.

Look at you, Term ninja! Using it is fine, just don't forget who brought it to the table

[FaizeD]

I normally hardcast Aero III at the beginning of my rotation when I get a DRK, instead of frontloading Holy. Never had a problem, seem to get a lot of tank comms /shrug

Between that and initial HoTs, you have a decent window of whacky time for MP. But then again I've never seen a DRK wait for everything to gather before popping BP...

[TouchandFeel]

Look at you, Term ninja! Using it is fine, just don't forget who brought it to the table

But they've been around since days of yore.



p.s. I can't believe this argument is still going ... actually, I sadly can.

[Ralvenom]

I normally hardcast Aero III at the beginning of my rotation when I get a DRK, instead of frontloading Holy. Never had a problem, seem to get a lot of tank comms /shrug

What's amazing to me is that this isn't the go-to thing for all WHM when they have a DRK in party.

[Causality]

Hmmmm. Does anyone know definitively which is more dps? The drk doing whatever it is they do during blood price or a WHM swift aero - pof holy spam - assize? Cause I'm thinking the WHM is gonna destroy the drk dps hands down making this argument completely pointless. To say the WHM is bad not waiting for blood price to fall off is so ridiculous. Learn to manage your mana better going into the pull? If I see this macro in df I'm pretty much gonna rofl.

Blood price + Abyssal Drain is the Mana Management of a large pull. It offsets the mana consumption. Regardless A DRK shouldn't be loosing Hate on an AOE pull regardless even if they drain Mana. Salted earth with a few abyssals (one or two with Dark Arts because WHM isn't healing) should be enough even if the WHM spazzes and tries to out AOE DPS the SMN and BLM.