/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[carbonx]

Holy really only effectively stuns mobs for 7s before the stunlock sets in, which is only 3s longer than CO. A 5% slow for the duration of your 15s might be the least impactful. If you fail to ask a healer to stop stunlocking the packs of mobs before the second pull, then yes, it would be a significant difference to CO. If you just sit behind your monitor getting heated because the healer is ignoring your BP rather than addressing the problem, you probably have much bigger issues to worry about.

An MMO means you need to take into account other people, and other people do stupid things that are out of your hands. Either adjust your play style as you can't control other people, or try to inform them as you go to make your runs smoother.

[Kabooa]

An MMO means you need to take into account other people, and other people do stupid things that are out of your hands. Either adjust your play style as you can't control other people, or try to inform them as you go to make your runs smoother.

Except it's not a stupid thing.

8 seconds of an aoe pack beating on you is full MP. 15 seconds of an AoE pack beating on you is Full MP.

There's no difference. You can also just make up the difference if needed when you're down to the last two mobs by using the MP Combo.

This entire thread is pointless. It's about a slight annoyance in content that can be slept through, in a niche scenario (RE: The Dark Knight is bad and starting a pull almost oom), and pointing the blame at someone for doing what has stylistically been their job since Wanderer's Palace Normal.

[winsock]

This entire thread is pointless. It's about a slight annoyance in content that can be slept through, in a niche scenario (RE: The Dark Knight is bad and starting a pull almost oom), and pointing the blame at someone for doing what has stylistically been their job since Wanderer's Palace Normal.

Ha-ha so true. Legit lol'd when reading this paragraph. +1

[Iagainsti]

Except it's not a stupid thing.

8 seconds of an aoe pack beating on you is full MP. 15 seconds of an AoE pack beating on you is Full MP.

There's no difference. You can also just make up the difference if needed when you're down to the last two mobs by using the MP Combo.

This entire thread is pointless. It's about a slight annoyance in content that can be slept through, in a niche scenario (RE: The Dark Knight is bad and starting a pull almost oom), and pointing the blame at someone for doing what has stylistically been their job since Wanderer's Palace Normal.

Our FC used to employ 2 WHM for Bray HM Myth farming for what we coined "The HolyBombs" XD Totally agree with your post.

[Imoen]

It's about a slight annoyance in content that can be slept through, in a niche scenario (RE: The Dark Knight is bad and starting a pull almost oom), and pointing the blame at someone for doing what has stylistically been their job since Wanderer's Palace Normal.

Yes, but it has also been the Drks since level 35 so they are doing what has been their job too. (spending MP and getting returns to spend more MP) Hence where the conflict comes into play. It doesn't make the DRK bad if they haven't had encounters with the very small pool of WHMs that actually utilize that ability, if at all. Likewise it doesn't make the WHM bad if they didn't know BP was a thing. It goes both ways.

You say it is shifting blame, yet assume the DRK is being bad... is that not shifting blame? (or did I misunderstand what you were pointing at there?)

I don't think it is a bad thing to build awareness on the ability in general for healers... that enter duty finder and are finding fresh DRKs in their runs. However I wish they would just lock this thread. It is really going in circles.

Simply put, BP is a DRK move that they receive at level 35 and ALWAYS use it. Holy is a move that whms get, but don't consistently use it, if at all. So shit happens.

If a DRK settles, waiting for the holy.. it doesn't come and they decide to Drain massive amounts of MP expecting a return from BP then the whm decides to holy... it sucks, especially if the mobs die quick enough that you have to wait for MP before next pull thus nullifying any DPS gain from holy.

That is the short and long of it. Which brings me to my initial point.... just be aware of what is going on.

And just to clarify, I am not supporting the idea of using a macro for this.....

Every healer has something that can interfere with BP: Holy, SF, CO. Why not make a whine thread about changing BP mechanics rather than yell at every healer to accommodate your unaccommodating playstyle?<se.1>

I know I personally wasn't whining to healers to accommodate play style, can't speak for anyone else. Just to be aware if people were having a hard time and let them know BP is a thing they should be aware of and that DRKs use it often and sometimes rely on it and or get used to using it... (because not all WHMs use holy) It would be redic to expect Holy whms to not holy on every BP that was up, BP has a fairly short CD. (40s) so again, situational. If any of what I said came across in that way it was completely unintended.

I don't get the correlation of: No holy = dead tanks though, there are 2 other healers that can't aoe stun like this and tanks live (excluding CO because of the long CD however CO could also be a surprise lol and also excluding SF because the effect on BP is so small.), even whms that don't holy and tanks live. (I realize you said be ready with cool downs so you are acknowledging that.) That is kind of basic tanking 101 that doesn't change no matter which tank you play. If the DRK is both having MP issues and not popping defensive cool downs, then words are in order LOL especially considering they have a line up similar to that of PLD.

The MP cost spikes for DRK a lot in the last few levels reaching level 60 so it takes time to get used to that.

[Blitzace]

I would hate this macro as much as the warriors that make a stupid macro for their berserk going
<se.2> 5
<se.2> 4
<se.2> 3
<se.2> 2..
<se.2> 1....
<se.2> ESUNA!

[Imoen]

I would hate this macro as much as the warriors that make a stupid macro for their berserk going

Lol indeed.

Off topic but funny story, when I was leveling my war I had a really awesome group... I had a derp moment and didn't realize Berserk was still up while grabbing the next pack... Pacify kicked in before I could settle and initialize hate. LOL, got it under control but I was punching myself in the head mentally when I did that lol.

[RadiantRay]

I would hate this macro as much as the warriors that make a stupid macro for their berserk going
<se.2> 5
<se.2> 4
<se.2> 3
<se.2> 2..
<se.2> 1....
<se.2> ESUNA!

http://imgur.com/a/IDiFQ

How I see every warrior who has a macro like that...

[Kabooa]

You say it is shifting blame, yet assume the DRK is being bad... is that not shifting blame? (or did I misunderstand what you were pointing at there?)

There are certain situations where the only possible way to do it wrong is ineptitude.

Dark Knights starting a pull near/OOM (The situation where this little wonderful thread matters) is on the Dark Knight being inept. Plain and simple. A white mage isn't being inept by doing what has been expected of them for 2+ years. Paladins can handle it, so a class with similar MP costs for AoE threat with many more ways to quickly supercharge their MP pool back up should -not- ever have an issue, even with the worst possible Blood Price timing (In which they only get 8 seconds, which on any sizeable pack -is still most if not all of their MP pool-).

[Imoen]

There are certain situations where the only possible way to do it wrong is ineptitude.

Dark Knights starting a pull near/OOM (The situation where this little wonderful thread matters) is on the Dark Knight being inept. Plain and simple. A white mage isn't being inept by doing what has been expected of them for 2+ years. Paladins can handle it, so a class with similar MP costs for AoE threat with many more ways to quickly supercharge their MP pool back up should -not- ever have an issue, even with the worst possible Blood Price timing (In which they only get 8 seconds, which on any sizeable pack -is still most if not all of their MP pool-).

Sure, ok. Just gave an example of when that could happen, but w/e. /shrug.

LOL I'm really sorry, but It absolutely blows my mind that you are 60 DRK and can not see how this would be possible to be incredibly low on MP at the end of the fight (not really sure how this got twisted into opening a fight with no MP.) - pre 60 because a healer decided to surprise you on like 4th gcd with non stop holy spam , and your DPS out gear you. I don't know about you but I don't stop trying to generate hate just because a mob is stunned, in case it wears off.

But w/e guys I'm done, you got it all figured out, you win via attrition.

Hope you all don't run into it. Have a good one.

Edit: oh and no Macro for this please.