Can we get an Official clarification on housing Demolish timer (45 or 90?)

[Raist]

They acquired them legitimately and can use them or not as they see fit. The ownus is on SE to make more of the resources available again. So the special event items does in fact apply. The PROPER way to address the issue is to add more plots, NOT arbitrarily seizing them.

Think if it this way. Say you were away from your home for an extended time. No matter the reason...caring for a family member, job contract overseas, missionary work. An eviction notice is maimed to you. One is nailed yo your door. You come home and your house is mowed down, all items inside destroyed, your lawn furniture and ornaments are put into storage so you can retrieve them, and they hand you the key to the storage room and a check for 80% the value of just he purchase price if the home when it was bought 30 hears ago. Not what it was actually with now, and no compensation for lost assets.

Does that sound fair to you?

Never mind the legal snafus...it is just plain wrong. The property was paid for...it was yours. No lien to satisfy, no legal justification for seizure and destruction. The excuse is someone else wanted it and last time we checked we saw no evidence you used it in the last 45 days. What if it was a vacation home, rented periodically to others when he owner didn't use it? Even in the event of seizure due to back taxes, that has to happen for multiple consecutive years, and even after it is auctioned off there is a grace period that must be met.

There are no exceptions with this policy to cover reasonable scenarios. It is in essence like eminent domain on steroids.

[Malicewolf]

Honestly, I don't care that much if it's 45 days or 60, or 90. I'm just glad they implemented something to eliminate those who simply aren't playing anymore and have a house (as it prevents others from having it). The fact that housing is exclusive to an extent is something that I actually like. Yes, it sucks when you are searching and searching and can't find a spot. One of my FC mates found an open lot open up and by the time our FC leader got there and bought it, he said there was 7 other people standing there trying to get it too (we got it though, yay!). But it really made us appreciate how much work it took to get the house we now own.

Now, the biggest issue I think everyone is running into here is the fact that the "reasons" that more than 45 days might be needed are NOT good reasons. We have ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE here that you deem to be "needing more than 45 days" saying she does not infact need it. The irony is the people who DON'T have an illness are the one's fighting the person who DOES that she needs more time to keep her house *facepalm*. None of us are saying there aren't circumstances which come up. That's life. In the middle of a dungeon run that took 1 hour queue time for me to find a party, my roommate accidentally turned off our internet and I had to spend another hour waiting to fight the damn hydra. I'm not blaming SE for not having a saved instance waiting for me to reenter the battle. Sh!t happens. You deal with it. Parameter's have to be set somewhere. There is no "perfect" line. I simply think the 45 day line is plenty.

As for the military deployment. 3/4 of my family is in or has been in the military. Many have been IN WARZONES. My family has sponsored midshipmen for over 10 years and those men and women have practically become part of our family as well. I have LOST some of those said people. Please do not say I do not understand. I may not personally be the one in the military, but I do know what they go through. There are very few assignments in which military men and women cannot access the internet. Majority of deployment assignments are not to the frontlines. Of all the mids we sponsored, 4 are in Florida, 2 are in Japan, 2 are in Oklahoma, 1 is in Hawaii, 1 is in North Carolina. None of them have no access to internet right now. 6 of them were in Iraq during the war. While there, I highly doubt any of them were worried about logging into an account, but we had skype calls with them occasionally (and to the point, they could easily ask someone to log in for them if it was that important to them). Yes, not all military deployments are the same. I DO understand this. But once again, circumstances happen. It's not SE's fault, nor is it the person's. But parameter's have to be made. I don't know too many military deployments in which the difference between 45 days and 90 will really make the big difference (but once again, circumstances).

The last argument of unemployment. Ok. That's fine. I truly do feel for those people. Hard times hit you and you needed to cancel your sub for an unknown amount of time because you couldn't afford it. That truly does suck. But, that's also life. I've been in that situation before and was unemployed for nearly 8 months. If I happened to of gotten a personal house in SE back then and lost it because of my unemployment then ok. I would of been angry and upset, but I also understand. SE is a business too you know.

But a majority of those complaining are NOT even under these categories. Most are simply those who "wish to take a break" giving out an argument because they don't want to lose their personal house they haven't visited for the last year and a half. To those people, I have no sympathy, hard work or not. Use it or lose it. To those unfortunate few out there who do fall into the category of unfortunate circumstances, I give my sincerest apologies for whatever hardship in life has come your way and wish you the best.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

But, But, what happens if my country goes to nuclear war with Russia. And I have to live in a vault for 5 years or so until the fallout goes away? That means I don't get to keep my house when I come back above ground?!?!? This is so unfair!!!! I live in America and the threat of another Cold War is very real.

[Malicewolf]

But, But, what happens if my country goes to nuclear war with Russia. And I have to live in a vault for 5 years or so until the fallout goes away? That means I don't get to keep my house when I come back above ground?!?!? This is so unfair!!!! I live in America and the threat of another Cold War is very real.

Please take my like sir. My sympathy's go out to you :P

[Raist]

They really need to revisit the policy is all. There are better ways to go about than an arbitrary countdiwn being the only determining factor.

They issued deeds with the impression/understanding they would be permanent. These deeds could be grandfathered to remain permanent until the user gets rid of it somehow (transfer, deletion, etc. on their terms), and all new purchases could get a different agreement that has the new reclamation policy applied. Then they could add new wards or even new zones. Remember how they mirrored zones at HW launch? They've demonstrated how quickly they can copy/pasta a zone...they may need to apply it a bit differently to make a new housing district of sorts (zone in and choose different prefect or something perhaps even?). The point is it is well within their ability to increase housing...for whatever reason they are choosing not to do it.

Another thing that could be done is to add a layer of verification to the notice. It could be an email receipt or an acceptanc button on a popup when they log in. Once verified, it would trigger a countdown. After x number of days from verification he property is reclaimed. That is kind if how these things happen in the real world, so that would likely be accepted far more readily than we send emials and stick a notice on an in-game menu and after 45 days we take it. Just because a message is sent like that,there is no guarantee it was received. I have about a year worth of PSN notices in a hotmail account that I never read. I don't check that account unless I am looking for something that I know is going there. Thunderbird downloads them as an additional account...but I almost never look in he folder.

Just saying....right ways and wrong ways. There is a far better way to manage this situation.

[Malicewolf]

They really need to revisit the policy is all. There are better ways to go about than an arbitrary countdiwn being the only determining factor.

They issued deeds with the impression/understanding they would be permanent. These deeds could be grandfathered to remain permanent until the user gets rid of it somehow (transfer, deletion, etc. on their terms), and all new purchases could get a different agreement that has the new reclamation policy applied. Then they could add new wards or even new zones. Remember how they mirrored zones at HW launch? They've demonstrated how quickly they can copy/pasta a zone...they may need to apply it a bit differently to make a new housing district of sorts (zone in and choose different prefect or something perhaps even?). The point is it is well within their ability to increase housing...for whatever reason they are choosing not to do it.

Another thing that could be done is to add a layer of verification to the notice. It could be an email receipt or an acceptanc button on a popup when they log in. Once verified, it would trigger a countdown. After x number of days from verification he property is reclaimed. That is kind if how these things happen in the real world, so that would likely be accepted far more readily than we send emials and stick a notice on an in-game menu and after 45 days we take it. Just because a message is sent like that,there is no guarantee it was received. I have about a year worth of PSN notices in a hotmail account that I never read. I don't check that account unless I am looking for something that I know is going there. Thunderbird downloads them as an additional account...but I almost never look in he folder.

Just saying....right ways and wrong ways. There is a far better way to manage this situation.

1. If you already quit the game, why in the world would you bother to click the "acceptance/verification" email to give up your house? Usually when someone quits playing something, they stop caring for the notifications and simply don't bother reading. This would leave the houses that we MOST want out standing. The one's that truly have no purpose being there anymore and the reason everyone has pushed for this update in the first place to happen.
2. Although making new wards is possible, they still take up space that MUST be paid for. That's a lot of data. Every item you place in your house must be saved individually on the server. Now multiply that by 50 in a single warded area. Now go ahead and think about how many wards we have. Now, let's add on top of that the fact that we have multiple locations in which these wards are located. Then think about how many server's are running. I'm not saying they "can't" add more. But this is probably a huge amount of space being used up already. The money to support it must come from somewhere and personally, I'd rather it go to more content.

[sirDarts]

They really need to revisit the policy is all. There are better ways to go about than an arbitrary countdiwn being the only determining factor.

They issued deeds with the impression/understanding they would be permanent. These deeds could be grandfathered to remain permanent until the user gets rid of it somehow (transfer, deletion, etc. on their terms), and all new purchases could get a different agreement that has the new reclamation policy applied. Then they could add new wards or even new zones. Remember how they mirrored zones at HW launch? They've demonstrated how quickly they can copy/pasta a zone...they may need to apply it a bit differently to make a new housing district of sorts (zone in and choose different prefect or something perhaps even?). The point is it is well within their ability to increase housing...for whatever reason they are choosing not to do it.

Another thing that could be done is to add a layer of verification to the notice. It could be an email receipt or an acceptanc button on a popup when they log in. Once verified, it would trigger a countdown. After x number of days from verification he property is reclaimed. That is kind if how these things happen in the real world, so that would likely be accepted far more readily than we send emials and stick a notice on an in-game menu and after 45 days we take it. Just because a message is sent like that,there is no guarantee it was received. I have about a year worth of PSN notices in a hotmail account that I never read. I don't check that account unless I am looking for something that I know is going there. Thunderbird downloads them as an additional account...but I almost never look in he folder.

Just saying....right ways and wrong ways. There is a far better way to manage this situation.

Aaaah, finally your true greed is showing. Was clear from the start that 90 would not satisfy you either.

[Raist]

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Guess you are unfamiliar with.email receipts. Granted there are ways to circumvent them, but most don't bother changing the configuration.

Cost of storage? Either you are overestimating hard drive costs or overestimating the size of the data per item...or perhaps both. For certain you are ignoring how quickly they threw up multiple instances of zones at HW launch. Not a zone of mostly static content mind you...highly active zones complete with mobs, players, fates, hunts, missions/quests...complete down to he dynamic weather effects and all.

They have the hardware. They have the template. They have the ability. They are choosing not to implement.

The problem is less an issue of idle properties,,but more that SE is not providing new properties.

Wait. Take that back. It in fact is that they aren't adding new properties.

[Raist]

Aaaah, finally your true greed is showing. Was clear from the start that 90 would not satisfy you either.

Nothing to do with greed, nor 90 days.

It is about principles. Ethics. Right and wrong.

If anything, you are demonstrating greed by wanting to arbitrarily seize property. No extenuating circumstance is acceptable. No fair trade practices. No just cause required. No chance of an equitable agreement to be made. Not even a confirmation of a notice of intent required.

You want it...and you want someone to take for you. Conscience and morals be damned.

[Ayerinn]

I think another real problem is people can have 2 houses.

I saw some guy have a Free company house in ward 2
Though owned a personal house in ward 4

Seen others also do that, house hogs they don't even need it but using it for extra space.

They need to loosen up restrictions on alts - we should be able to mail between our alts AND when shared housing is implemented, share a house with them. Until that happens, people are going to make FC's for bank sharing (and probably buy an FC house if they can) as well as buy personal houses for their alts. Owning more than one personal house per character would be stupid...but one personal house per unique character is pretty much forced upon the player base until better alt sharing features are implemented.