/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[Atoli]

group runs off starts attacking more things > party keeps running to next mob etc...

YOU are the tank, you decide when it's time to proceed to the next mob. If they think they can do without a tank, let them experience how well they do without one.
I can't believe that it's always the players who talk big about looking out for each other, who end up reinforcing dickish behaviour in other players because they don't let them taste the consequences for NOT looking out for their party members...*sigh*

In the end, Kabooa is right that there should never be a situation where you pull with no/close to no MP, because that means you already failed at the most basic job of the tank, which is leading the party and setting the pace.

[RadiantRay]

I had no idea drk had a skill like this, I actually had to go look it up on the FF14 wiki to know what it did. Honestly if I knew I'd wait a bit if I ever saw the buff and saw the drk was low on mana, but I don't know how every class in the game works (guess that's why drks in my party are always low on mp, i just thought that's how the class played haha).

In regards to my own experiences though this have never cause a wipe or any enmity problems. I always loved (and hated for their squishiness) drks for their great aoe enmity, I can holy spam to my hearts content and they'll never lose hate. Also I Holy spam until my mp runs almost completely dry because by that time all the mobs are dead before that happens or they're all left with 20%-ish hp remaining. On the rare occasion that I do steal hate from the tank (almost never a drk) I just pop shroud after a few more Holies and the mobs go straight to back to the tank.

[Imoen]

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Yet again, irrelevant to the point. Regardless, I wasn't disagreeing with anything Kabooa said. I gave an example of what can happen. It has already been brought up multiple times how this will usually be a "figure it out on the first pull thing."

I'm not sure if you are trying to say I'm being a hypocrite, by not being a dick because I tried to keep up to see if I could manage, while in my very first encounter with a whm using holy bomb or what?

People already gave some suggestions etc... on that situation, and DreamWeaver explained how there is a ramp up to WHM starting a holy bomb too.

The run was an example of what CAN happen in DF, nothing more nothing less. Don't read into it so much.

Through most of this I have tried to explain things and kept it friendly . It wasn't untill the very end that I began getting frustrated having to explain, which I also explained... and here I am explaining my explanation of explaining explanation

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Ya, It is just something to be aware of, for if you see someone struggling.

[winsock]

Is this thread real? Every healer has something that can interfere with BP: Holy, SF, CO. Why not make a whine thread about changing BP mechanics rather than yell at every healer to accommodate your unaccommodating playstyle?

Holy spam is better than DRK AoE anyway. Just wait a few sec after Aero III to see if holy is coming and for mobs to go stun immune.

I'm willing to work with a DRK, esp if they are struggling, but if I ever see a macro like this, the DRK using it had better be on top of all his mitigation + recovery cooldowns or face the wrath of something like:

/p cleric stance activated, tank cds pls <se.1>

[Critical-Limit]

Everyone is making this overly complicated. If you want the best run possible, you have to adapt yourself. It's like driving on the road. You can't control anyone even if you leave your blinker on infront of them. Adapt, obviously they won't let you in slow down and get behind them.

Same for this whole useless debate. If the DRK already has it up before you start the holy spam wait, if your a dark and you realize they like to holy spam at start, wait. If you're both adapting and cause a awkward situation. Communicate like you would at a 4 way stop and either wave the other guy by or wait for the wave.

Stop trying to make the traffic revolve around you, it'll never work.

[Syzygian]

So many healers on this thread are not even granting drks the common courtesy of a cursory google search to see what blood price even does, and what will or will not trigger it, and are making factually incorrect statrments that they just assume have weight because they're the healer and we're the tank.

[carbonx]

winsock brought up a good point about all healers having abilities that can affect Blood Price. No one is asking a SCH/SMN to stop using Shadowflare, which ends up decreasing the amount of damage you take for a duration lasting more than 15s through Slow. No one is bringing up AST's Celestial Opposition which is an AoE stun as well.

I think my whole message for this thread has tried to be... Adjust your playstyle instead of making annoying macros everyone has to deal with for the "exceptions" that actually cast Holy. Or you know... ask them to wait in Party Chat and actually use your words to communicate with each other if you're really struggling. Passive aggressive macros and ceaseless whining on the OF about it will not solve your problems.

[Seryl199]

So many healers on this thread are not even granting drks the common courtesy of a cursory google search to see what blood price even does, and what will or will not trigger it, and are making factually incorrect statrments that they just assume have weight because they're the healer and we're the tank.

I haven't done much on WHM since Heavensward, so I was totally unaware that a dynamic like this existed. I've seen Blood Price on other healers, noticed that it wasn't a mitigative CD, and never gave it much thought. I'd hope that if I negatively impacted a DRK's efforts, they'd actually talk to me and let me know I was causing them trouble, rather than seething quietly in rage behind their screen until resorting to a macro that pops up with the regularity of RMT.

[Iagainsti]

Pacification is 5 seconda and macros can be combined to have the skill and message in one. That being said i do have a berserk macro that says Pacification in 20 seconds prepare accordingly. Im not afraid ill lose aggro one unchained berserk enmity rotation. But then again theres less than 5% smart dps in this game it seems. Kudos to the actual good ones there that arent super tryhards and actually listen. On that note why must 90% of dps wait until the LB will one shot the boss to use it. Such a waste.
Edit for spelling.

XD Berserk Macro Activated! Seriously though, No Warrior still uses Unchained + Berserk after lvl 52, maybe in SA3 for the hand phase XD. #Getwithit

[Syzygian]

winsock brought up a good point about all healers having abilities that can affect Blood Price. No one is asking a SCH/SMN to stop using Shadowflare, which ends up decreasing the amount of damage you take for a duration lasting more than 15s through Slow. No one is bringing up AST's Celestial Opposition which is an AoE stun as well.

Shadowflare's what, 5% slow is almost unnoticeable for a drk with bp up, and celestial opposition is a 1-time cast with such a long cooldown it probably won't even get used 2 pulls in a row. So that solves the big mystery of why they aren't getting brought up, and furthermore, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they are irrelevant to the discussion and serve only to muddy it.