Immersion, The Facts & Fiction

[Konachibi]

My counter argument to this entire thread is: how can anyone find the current system immersive? Granted, the game has come quite a long way from the trainwreck it was, but yeah, it will be months before ANYONE should be throwing around the term "immersion". We just barely got out of Alpha with 1.18, and with 1.19 we're trucking right into Beta. When get to 1.20 Beta 2, THEN we can start talking about immersion. Until then, please develop a severe case of hydrophobia and hope this sinking ship can get bailed out faster than it sinks, or we'll all be up to our necks in "immersion".

The final part of your post was the best part.

As mentioned in the OP though, immersion is what the player allows, not what the game does. After only playing for 3 weeks I'm quite immersed in the gameplay in many ways. That's GAMEPLAY. I see the world, I understand it's aspects and much of it's lore along with the games gameplay and functionality to become immersed in it's totality, I do not try to seperate 'game' and 'world', since they both part of a complete package. The moment I sit down and decide to play the game for a few hours, whether it be leves or crafting, I am immersing myself in it, because I am focusing on it.

I agree with the 'game moving into beta' too, since the game is being rebuilt. Really what we are playing at the moment is part of the game as bits are being added, you could say the game is still in it's development phase even though it's live. And I think S.E are doing a good job, no game developer except them have ever attempted something like this before.

As for copy and paste enviroment I'll say what I said in a different thread.

I've ridden my motorbike through a lot of country roads that all look the same.

I shall go and complain to mother nature that she was copy&pasting.

[DoctorMog]

These threads are really breaking my immersion.

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[Konachibi]

These threads are really breaking my immersion.

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Hehe, I throw the same kind of joke around in my linkshell as a way to say "I'm too lazy to do that part of the game."

Like earlier today someone needed a teleport to Ul'dah and I was like, "I've got plenty of anima to do that and plenty of time, but if I did it I'd be ruining my immersion" just because I was in the middle of my leve cycle and didn't want to be interrupted (I was thoroughly immersed in my levequest) :P

[Konachibi]

Thank you Konata Chibi. Your analogy of the Universe was excellent! It made me create my forum profile lol. It makes great logical sense; however, I do doubt it will stop the improper use of the word. Once the "creator(s)" tell us what we have to accept, regardless of the fact that it has not and never will be within 'our' black or white choice, it may simmer down to a slow burning ember.

Thanks ^.^

I was compelled to do this because I tend to get nit-picky when I see improper use of the English language (Least to say I hate how most people talk in my area "arr right innit blud") so I made this in the hope that it'd stop people using the word incorrectly except as a form of joke such as "The power-cut my house just had ruined my games immersion"

[Azurymber]

Thanks ^.^

I was compelled to do this because I tend to get nit-picky when I see improper use of the English language (Least to say I hate how most people talk in my area "arr right innit blud") so I made this in the hope that it'd stop people using the word incorrectly except as a form of joke such as "The power-cut my house just had ruined my games immersion"

I still disagree with how you argue this. And I don't agree that immersion is being improperly used.

There are also many articles that tackle immersion as a technique

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/...-tell-stories/

There is one example.

Immersion is a tool to make a media product successful. So its perfectly legitimate to debate how immersive a game is.

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Is one thread and 80 pages not enough?

[Francois424]

I agree with Chocobits myself to a point. However I do try to keep immerse when I play the game, most of the time. With such a beautiful world (copy-pasted or not), it's actually kind of easy. Obviously, it's going to get better in the future as more option opens up and that (for exemple) I might be able to equip Warp, Teleport, and Cure spells on my DoL, and thus jumping in to help people in trouble when I see them about.

BTW, thanks Chocobits for your evaluation of the game status. However didnt it take 2 years for FF11 to reach the points you have stated ? I know the game was exclusive to japan for it's 1st year, then it came to America. Meh it's been too lon, I forget.

Good evening all
-- Francois424

[Konachibi]

I still disagree with how you argue this. And I don't agree that immersion is being improperly used.

There are also many articles that tackle immersion as a technique

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/...-tell-stories/

There is one example.

Immersion is a tool to make a media product successful. So its perfectly legitimate to debate how immersive a game is.

Most of the article in that link was explaining immersiveness when being used to tell stories. Your arguements so far have been about the immersiveness of the FFXIV world (Teleporting etc.) FFXIV features a story but it is not it's entire purpose. Stories and online video games are two totally different things. A story in a book is JUST a story, a story in a game is just part of it's entirity. The article that has been linked does not counter my statement.

Untill you can come up with a legitimate FACTUAL reason with proper information that tells me how the facts I stated in the original post are wrong, you cannot prove that what I am saying is wrong, you can only make baseless statements using irrelevant information in an attempt to to catch me off guard and say something that will differ from my original post.

I however, will not fall for this.

Your statement is still incorrect.

[Konachibi]

I agree with Chocobits myself to a point. However I do try to keep immerse when I play the game, most of the time. With such a beautiful world (copy-pasted or not), it's actually kind of easy. Obviously, it's going to get better in the future as more option opens up and that (for exemple) I might be able to equip Warp, Teleport, and Cure spells on my DoL, and thus jumping in to help people in trouble when I see them about.

BTW, thanks Chocobits for your evaluation of the game status. However didnt it take 2 years for FF11 to reach the points you have stated ? I know the game was exclusive to japan for it's 1st year, then it came to America. Meh it's been too lon, I forget.

Good evening all
-- Francois424

By the time FFXI was released in the U.K it already had two expansion packs that came with it. I bought it on release day and was amazed by how many discs it had XD

[Chocobits]

By the time FFXI was released in the U.K it already had two expansion packs that came with it. I bought it on release day and was amazed by how many discs it had XD

With JUST the original game + RoTZ, it was 5 discs! 1 for POL, 1 for RoTZ, and 5 for the game itself! Then 2 more for CoP. After CoP they went to DVDs.

And yeah I forgot about the 1 year of JP only. So technically 2 years..? But that still means they got the first expansion at nearly the 1 year marker and the 2nd expansion right after the 2 year marker!