/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[Syzygian]

a bunch of really bitter text

Who exactly are you addressing here?

[SpookyGhost]

This has probably been covered but:

It doesn't really matter what the correct way to go about it is, a WHM is going to Holy spam at the start of the pull if they plan to Holy spam at all. Just delay your Blood Prince a bit to see what your WHM is going to do and then go from there. As mentioned, it takes some prep work before Holy spam starts, so a macro at the start of the pull isn't going to help - I'd recommend just telling them at the start of the dungeon.

[Sida]

Wouldn't be surprised if half of the white mages don't even know what blood price is or how it works. Passive aggressive rage won't help in that sort of situation. If you have to go with macross though, instead of using it on the regular bind, make the message a separate macro you can toss out if you notice the other party is stun locking your mobs. And maybe in form "please don't stun lock enemies while Blood price is up. I need to be hit to get MP from it." Yes, this sounds coddling but the chances are you have people who have no idea of DRK skills. Barking orders tends to be received badly, while givin a reason can lead people to think the request is not unreasonable. For those who knew of it and don't care anyway it's one and the same what you say, while those who didn't know of it learn something new. Then it's up to them how to use the knowledge.

[Strident]

I don't even care. All I care about is holding aggro so I pop blood price during the clumping phase of the pull. WHM can holy whenever they want and I just want to get through the alwaysreap with minimal effort. It's more important to me that the completion time is normalized. If I pop blood price at the start, in most expert roulettes the next blood price is ready for a second cast without clipping into the next pull so I'll do it even if whm behind with holy spam.

[Ralvenom]

Wouldn't be surprised if half of the white mages don't even know what blood price is or how it works.

That's sort of the heart of the problem here. People are too lazy to learn the basic abilities of the tanks they're healing, so they can be better at healing them. Too many idiots jump into DF going, "LOL, tank's health is ok. Let's dps* for 5 seconds." without no regard to things like Blood Price. It's not like it's hard to get on Google and look up a few things, though. People are just LAZY.

*Note: Most of those idiots don't even switch to Cleric Stance for a few either.

[carbonx]

People are just LAZY.

It's actually very lazy of you to not adjust your Blood Price timing. For WHMs, initiating Holy spam at the beginning of the pull is most effective because you can throw regen up, hardcast or swiftcast your first Holy before initiating the spam and mitigate 100% of the incoming damage for about 10-11 solid seconds with full mana. Cleric stance or no, Holy is WHM's strongest mitigation tool, and is also stronger than any CD you possess on DRK.

If you literally cannot wait 10s to pop Blood Price without going OOM or losing aggro, you're probably not playing your class effectively. I try to adjust my play on WHM when I'm with DRKs around their BP usage, but ultimately, that's what my point was. You need to be a good teammate and be flexible because you can only control what you do.

Making passive aggressive macros or forcing other people to adjust to your playstyle is lazy and entitled.

[Baci]

Or DRKs just wait for the stuns to end and use Blood Price then, but hey! Its always the other people

[ViDare]

That's sort of the heart of the problem here. People are too lazy to learn the basic abilities of the tanks they're healing, so they can be better at healing them. Too many idiots jump into DF going, "LOL, tank's health is ok. Let's dps* for 5 seconds." without no regard to things like Blood Price. It's not like it's hard to get on Google and look up a few things, though. People are just LAZY.

Here's an idea, instead of activating BP and wasting while the mobs are stunned you drop grit and activate Blood weapon, you're free to dps to your hearts content and get MP back while doing it. it simple enough that afterwards you just reactivate grit and use BP to continue your damage and any good white mage will be activating shroud to drop the hate they've just created and get back their MP.

you all are so quick to say whm should wait but instead learn to adapt geez

[LlamaOfLag]

Not reading through this train wreck of a thread entirely so sorry if its been said but fact of that matter if you want to spam holy get right in there and do it dont wait 5-10 seconds for your tank to pop any CDs they want because as so many of you whms like to say we're just getting our ass beat(funny thing that a TANK gets hit and that the healer conplaims about it) then get in there and AOE stun and idk maybe ive never seen a whm spam holy long enough but ive never seen an enemy reach the stun immunity threshold even after 5+ holys. That and ive seen far too many WHMs spam holy outside of CS and proceed to let me die. DPSing is fine i do it when i heal too but fact of the matter is youre a healer your card plate is green not brown, do your job before you do anothers
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[Syzygian]

Here's the thing, drk can and should pop bp upon settling with a pull in a party with sch or ast, and whm should holy at the same time with pld or war. It boils down to communication and who'd rather be a decent person as one of them is going to have to deviate from optimal play to coddle the other. Whms in this thread are talking about expert level whm play which is the exception in the df, not the norm. Unless communicated otherwise by a whm i'll continue to bp when i normally would with either of the other two healers. =/