If you could kill off one of the scions...

[Razem5791]

back to the OP thread, I wonder why you guys are so eager to kill the scions... You know, I left WOW after 10 years because, Hell ! I'm fed up to be just a second rate character for some NPCs to shine while I have done 90% of the job ! In WOW we are not the heroes ! Thrall, Varyan and cie are the heroes but we players are cleaning the raids, the dungeons, ect but we are nothing compared to these NPCs. Here, I know why I'm here, why I'm doing stuff and I'm rewarded by the scions respect (remember hesitation of minfilia when she asked us to do a mission just right we joined the scions). See how the chiefs of states treat us, remember that cinematic when Tataru-chan asked for a champion to fight for her when Alphinaud and her were unfairly arrested by Hishgard templars ! Hail the scions !

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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What you're not seeing is people are disliking most of the Scions because they don't help the WOL/you directly; you're the muscle, they're the brains. People want NPCs that actually help out rather than bark orders or sit back while the player does everything (then again most RPGs go that way anyway). I still don't agree with the "kill em all" mentality since it comes off as a tantrum to me plus I severely hate it when people and writers alike think killing characters off is the only way to write someone out of the story.

[Tenkuu]

What you're not seeing is people are disliking most of the Scions because they don't help the WOL/you directly; you're the muscle, they're the brains. People want NPCs that actually help out rather than bark orders or sit back while the player does everything (then again most RPGs go that way anyway). I still don't agree with the "kill em all" mentality since it comes off as a tantrum to me plus I severely hate it when people and writers alike think killing characters off is the only way to write someone out of the story.

Your very first meeting with Thancred (or whoever your starting city Scion(s) is/are): he's right there fighting with you. When you're fighting an Ascian and his monster a little later on, right when things start to get dicy, there's Thancred again, coming to the rescue. Castrum Centri, when you're escaping, everyone is right there fighting the Magiteks as you go and disable the devices protecting them. They don't help you all the time because then people would complain that it doesn't feel like we are real heroes and capable of handling a fight on our own. Point being: you really can't please everyone no matter what you do, but the Scions do strike the perfect balance between being both your support group (providing intelligence) and your fighting partners. RO2, for instance, felt very lacking in that respect. Of the few NPCs that were likeable, hardly any of them ever participated in fights with you. It felt extremely impersonal and was only one of the reasons that leveling past level 50 was tedious and repetitive.

Regarding the "kill them all" mentality though, the Scions are generally against it. The move to Mor Dhona occurs specifically because they all are uncomfortable with the idea of fighting just any random cause and want to have the freedom to choose their causes.

[Tenkuu]

back to the OP thread, I wonder why you guys are so eager to kill the scions... You know, I left WOW after 10 years because, Hell ! I'm fed up to be just a second rate character for some NPCs to shine while I have done 90% of the job ! In WOW we are not the heroes ! Thrall, Varyan and cie are the heroes but we players are cleaning the raids, the dungeons, ect but we are nothing compared to these NPCs. Here, I know why I'm here, why I'm doing stuff and I'm rewarded by the scions respect (remember hesitation of minfilia when she asked us to do a mission just right we joined the scions). See how the chiefs of states treat us, remember that cinematic when Tataru-chan asked for a champion to fight for her when Alphinaud and her were unfairly arrested by Hishgard templars ! Hail the scions !

I wouldn't kill a single one of them. They're all kind to you and act so much like regular people, they're too easy to love, especially in the japanese version. They're also humble and reserved when it comes to fighting every cause that comes on their doorstep. Even Alphinaud, regardless of his faults, provides so much support to you. As I mentioned before, they all literally do all of the hard work and all you do is go places and kill stuff without having to think too much about anything. You really could not ask for a better or more inclusive support group.

[Razem5791]

I wouldn't kill a single one of them. They're all kind to you and act so much like regular people, they're too easy to love, especially in the japanese version. They're also humble and reserved when it comes to fighting every cause that comes on their doorstep. Even Alphinaud, regardless of his faults, provides so much support to you. As I mentioned before, they all literally do all of the hard work and all you do is go places and kill stuff without having to think too much about anything. You really could not ask for a better or more inclusive support group.

Finally I meet someone that understands me ! My feelings aswell about the Scions. Unlike any character I met in WOW (I quote WOW since I've been there for 10 years), I grew supportive to many NPCs in FF14 a realm reborn. Even if at time, they might act a bit childish, still I kinda like them. I was so devastated when they died at Uldah.

[Razem5791]

To Tenkuu

I don't really know if Thancred is growing fed up of Uldah's politics. Still, it is true that nobles there make things ugly out there. Limsa ? well a former pirate nation cannot erase it past and evolve to bring more of that kind in Limsa and you add beastmen troubles. In a way I agree with you about Gridania. Maybe It looks much less messed up however, they do have troubles and not thin : the way they act towards the Ala mighans because clearly you know they have tried to invade Gridania before being destroyed by the Empire. You should also remember problems like Haukke manor. And finally, one serious question : From all 3 countries, why does Odin always appear in Gridania ? Clearly there must be something about it.

[Tenkuu]

Finally I meet someone that understands me ! My feelings aswell about the Scions. Unlike any character I met in WOW (I quote WOW since I've been there for 10 years), I grew supportive to many NPCs in FF14 a realm reborn. Even if at time, they might act a bit childish, still I kinda like them. I was so devastated when they died at Uldah.

I'm pretty sure no one is dead, and on that topic, Nanamo better get her ass in gear and do something to try to find the remaining ones. Either way, having played other MMOs, I've never felt like sticking around and actually paying for a game other than Runescape, and when it became 3.0 it became quite an awful game to play with more lag than ever and a few reworked areas that I really hated. Until FFXIV, and then even though its fee was more than twice the price of Runescape's, it felt so much worth it to be in this game. The music is better, the plot is better, the scenery is far better, the random minor NPCs are better, and you form such a personal connection with the major NPC characters, all around I could not ask for a better game. Also, to me, the entire point of FFXIV's NPCs being interesting is how human they are: they have their personality quirks, they mess up sometimes, they do some interesting things when they're back home and they definitely have their own opinions on everything.

I don't really know if Thancred is growing fed up of Uldah's politics. Still, it is true that nobles there make things ugly out there. Limsa ? well a former pirate nation cannot erase it past and evolve to bring more of that kind in Limsa and you add beastmen troubles. In a way I agree with you about Gridania. Maybe It looks much less messed up however, they do have troubles and not thin : the way they act towards the Ala mighans because clearly you know they have tried to invade Gridania before being destroyed by the Empire. You should also remember problems like Haukke manor. And finally, one serious question : From all 3 countries, why does Odin always appear in Gridania ? Clearly there must be something about it.

Well, in my opinion at least two things point to that being the case: when you saw him in an Echo taking place shortly after he'd been exiled in 1.0, he acted generally annoyed, and during the banquet held in our honor at the end of 2.55, he was off on his own with a girl rather than enjoying the festivities with the other Scions. There is also the fact that in Nanamo's Tales from the Calamity, especially in the japanese version, he speaks to her in a very casual and friendly tone, which suggests that he doesn't like all the fakeness of politics and formalities.