/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[Ralvenom]

Sorry this is dumb, ideally you whm should pop shroud at some point and if you cant get hate after that then you should probably consider a different class.

Seriously git gud and wait until the mobs are stun locked and the mobs will die a lot faster.

Or, you know, the WHM could git gud & stop being impatient...

world doesn't revolve around tanks, healers play as much of a role to a party as a tank does

Tanks control the battle by pulling and such. If you cater to your tank's needs, as a healer, everyone tends to have a better time. If you don't, then everyone is pissy. Get over yourself, bud.

[ViDare]

Or, you know, the WHM could git gud & stop being impatient...

Tanks control the battle by pulling and such. If you cater to your tank's needs, as a healer, everyone tends to have a better time. If you don't, then everyone is pissy. Get over yourself, bud.

ugh please half the time im wishing you guys would pull more so i could actually cure instead of sitting there with my finger up my butt waiting to dps because your precious blood price.

face it as a whm i contribute more to dps than your abyssal drain or unlease in large groups, my holy even fully nerfed does more damage to all the mobs than your unlease and on 3 mobs beats your abyssal drain, the stun lets me dps without having to worry about you taking much damage so cry me a river

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

You can bet like someone above said, if i see this macro in df i'm going to rofl, then proceed to holy like 7 times in a row.

[ArdorGrey]

As a warrior main with Drk and Whm also leveled to 60 I don't get how this is a big thing. If the mobs are stunned you could put off blood price for a few seconds and none of your aggro gen should change at all, because you don't have to DA AD. the only way you wind up with crap aggro gen is if you pop blood price and then go about your autopilot rotation without watching your party. being a team player isn't a one way street, everyone should react and adapt to what others are doing and if you need to be pampered with obnoxious macros you're still an immature player.

Love that someone posted "git gud" in response to warrior macros being obnoxious as hell. With the right skillspeed you're only losing 1 gcd to pacification. Instead of crying to your healer to babysit you because you're scared you'll lose aggro, how about *YOU* "git gud"?

[Fevelle]

"If you dont care about tank aoe queue with a pld "

Boy, you don't know how many times I prayed to the Twelve to get me Paladins on my roulettes.

[echoica]

You didn't answer the core question tho. Who does more aoe damage? Also if you are having issues with aggro put on grit, adjust your rotation or get better gear. I know WHM is beastly but cmon it's your job.

[echoica]

I don't even holy much anymore tbh. I see better returns dotting aero 2/3 and stone 3 with assize. Holy uses too much mana for the less damage it does now.

[echoica]

Forgot to "reply with quotes" above. So much fail ;S

[Twilite]

In the former scenario, we both get huge aoe deeps, i keep hate, stuff dies. In the latter scenario, i cant do proper damage or hate just so the whm could holy 15s earlier, and stuff takes longer to die.

Just saying, yall be getting your ass whipped pretty bad until we holy.

[Imoen]

You didn't answer the core question tho. Who does more aoe damage? Also if you are having issues with aggro put on grit, adjust your rotation or get better gear. I know WHM is beastly but cmon it's your job.

I don't see why this matters. At all. If you have played dark and had a WHM doing this you would know the pain.

It isn't just about that pull... it's about the next ones afterwards. (Assuming you were not expecting it, because holy with WHM in DF is random as hell, and that your party is too damn impatient to wait for your resources.) Screwing DRK out of it's best way of returning their most used resource. MP management on DRK is no joke, bloodprice is the only thing in my opinion that makes DRK function in AOE situations.

I had a WHM doing this to me, it was terrible, non of my bloodprice went through, darkside was dropping off me all the time, and I was always dry of MP making it harder and harder to hold hate because ALL of DRK's AOE generators cost MP, on like 2 or 3 mobs? not a problem can just cycle through and use single target enmity moves. If that wasn't bad enough the WHM was impatient and wanted to keep pulling and I barely had the resources to do anything. I can't hold larger AOE packs if you are starving me of my resource to do so.

Just saying, yall be getting your ass whipped pretty bad until we holy.

Thats the point... you get MP from getting hit that is what bloodprice does and that is what abyssal drain and other defensive cooldowns are there to help with.

DRK WANTS and sometimes NEEDs to be hit.



Anyway I don't think anyone is saying DON'T holy, Just be more aware of WHEN you are using it. Chances are if you can't know when not to holy because of bloodprice, chances are you don't know when to hit me with esuna/leeches (and w/e the ast version is called) either. Obviously if you have not played with a dark and they have not said anything about it, then that's understandable, but if you are knowingly doing this, knowing that it is making the tanks life miserable... ya I got no words.