1 Month in impressions/criticisms...

[kazeandi]

the story is good imo

Well, it's better than most (if not all) MMOs out there. Not novel material, but it doesn't have to - it does its job.

Miko: Yes, she's not really a miko, she's also not a priestess in the traditional sense. It's acceptable as translation though because of the subtext, the nuance it translates. "Iceheart" makes me think of a cold hearted bitch, which is absolutely not true at all for her. "but people call her that" - no, they call her 氷の巫女, and if you look at the whole Ishgard scenario in context, it's clear why they do. Well, in the Japanese, but even in the English version her intentions are somewhat clear.

[Morningstar1337]

"Iceheart" makes me think of a cold hearted bitch, which is absolutely not true at all for her. "but people call her that" - no, they call her 氷の巫女, and if you look at the whole Ishgard scenario in context, it's clear why they do.

I think the Iceheart thing actuality makes sense, She is the leader of a group of sympathizers of enemies of the Holy See, so they have little reason to humanizing her. DEhumanizing Ysaile on the other hand offers many benefits. After all, whose side will people take, that of the religion they followed for a thousand years without knowing the real reason it came out, or a cold blooded heretic who openly aides the enemy?

Names and monikers can be an effective propaganda tool. Calling her a priestess in a theocracy would make look seem more sympathetic than effectively calling her a cold heartless bitch. The intentions of the people using the name (Thordian and his Knights) which are also clear, are also a factor.

[kazeandi]

This would be true if it'd be part of the actual story, but it's not. The original Arch Bishop isn't even that kind of guy, he's not even a bad guy. He never used tools such as dehumanizing propaganda, that wouldn't have fit his character. For him, Iceheart was just a mere annoyance, nothing to really worry about.

[Tenkuu]

This would be true if it'd be part of the actual story, but it's not. The original Arch Bishop isn't even that kind of guy, he's not even a bad guy. He never used tools such as dehumanizing propaganda, that wouldn't have fit his character. For him, Iceheart was just a mere annoyance, nothing to really worry about.

Have we played through the same ending? I'm pretty sure his entire MO is dehumanizing propaganda, or more specifically, the perpetuation of it.

It's been a while since I played through the start of this, but I want to remember that the first mention of her name (to the WoL) was something along the lines of "they [the heretics] call her Iceheart".... But like I said, it's a long time since then, so I might be wrong. Will get there soon(ish) with one of my alts so I can refresh my memory ^^

Here, I used to have a better video of this, but somehow the link is no longer in my YouTube history, it was of a Highlander Hyur. I had found the link on a Reddit post, but no longer finding that either. Actually, if anyone here finds it, let me know.

Well, yes. But like I mentioned in a previous post I have Japanese audio but English client, since I'm far from fluent enough in Japanese (especially written Japanese) to be able to understand anything ^^; Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough in the post you quoted.

No, you weren't unclear, I was just saying that in japanese, you *can* sometimes tell who's talking before seeing their faces, if it's a known character, going by the text alone (ie unvoiced cutscenes).

[Noxifer]

No, you weren't unclear, I was just saying that in japanese, you *can* sometimes tell who's talking before seeing their faces, if it's a known character, going by the text alone (ie unvoiced cutscenes).

^^ which I agreed with, based on the how differently the NPCs express themselves in the Japanese audio.

And if you look at Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and other areas where Viking cuture flourished, you will note several major settlements, mountains, rivers, and volcanoes bearing names with no/very few vowels. And that is because in their language some consonants are considered vowels.

My memory of old Norse language is rusty, since it's about 15-20 years since I went through that time period in school, but I'd say it's not so much an issue of consonants being considered vowels as there being an assumed vowel interspaced. So 'haldr' for example would be pronounced 'haldir' (random example to show what I mean, not necessarily a 100% correct example). Though yes, Y is considered a vowel, so if you're used to that being a consonant you'd be correct in your statement =)
(Then again, Welsh considers W to be a vowel, so...... *shrugs*)

When is a double 'u' not a vowel?

xD point. Though in most Nordic countries, it's called "double-v", at least as far as I know ^_~ (And often counted as the same letter as V in dictionaries, phone books and the like ^^; Probably because there are very few words and/or names starting with W in the first place.)

[Kosmos992k]

^^ which I agreed with, based on the how differently the NPCs express themselves in the Japanese audio.



My memory of old Norse language is rusty, since it's about 15-20 years since I went through that time period in school, but I'd say it's not so much an issue of consonants being considered vowels as there being an assumed vowel interspaced. So 'haldr' for example would be pronounced 'haldir' (random example to show what I mean, not necessarily a 100% correct example). Though yes, Y is considered a vowel, so if you're used to that being a consonant you'd be correct in your statement =)
(Then again, Welsh considers W to be a vowel, so...... *shrugs*)

When is a double 'u' not a vowel?

[Morningstar1337]

When is a double 'u' not a vowel?

[Kosmos992k]

xD point. Though in most Nordic countries, it's called "double-v", at least as far as I know ^_~ (And often counted as the same letter as V in dictionaries, phone books and the like ^^; Probably because there are very few words and/or names starting with W in the first place.)

Someone earlier mentioned that in welsh 'w' is pronounced as a 'u', for example Cwmry, the 'w' is an extended 'u' as in rude. Double 'v' makes some sense since 'v' is at least a consonant. However we are stuck with 'w' as is, I wonder whether we have the Welsh to thank for that.. sadly the real explanation for the name of that letter is boringly simple with 7th century scribes writing 'uu' for a 'w'. Early print sometimes used a 'vv' instead of a specific 'w' character. See? Not quite as much fun as the Welsh explanation...

[Noxifer]

Someone earlier mentioned that in welsh 'w' is pronounced as a 'u', for example Cwmry, the 'w' is an extended 'u' as in rude. Double 'v' makes some sense since 'v' is at least a consonant. However we are stuck with 'w' as is, I wonder whether we have the Welsh to thank for that.. sadly the real explanation for the name of that letter is boringly simple with 7th century scribes writing 'uu' for a 'w'. Early print sometimes used a 'vv' instead of a specific 'w' character. See? Not quite as much fun as the Welsh explanation...

Yeah I know ^^ It's one reason I mentioned it. (I like "different" languages, so I picked up an audiobook language course in Welsh back when I was sixteen or so... Not much of it stuck; I sadly only remember two words from it. And one of them only cos of the to me funny spelling: siwgwr, aka sugar)

I'm guessing Nordic languages also got stuck with "double-v" since it's a Germanic language, and W in German is a V sound (unlike the German V which is an F sound... @_@) In general, the F, V and W letters have seen a lot of different use in at least Swedish language history xD Going back a century, you'd find a lot of Swedish words using either f or fv for V sounds, for example.

It would be nice if you guys finally decided if you want to write the way it sounds, or pronounce it the way it is written.

xD I have that feeling every once in a while when it comes to foreign languages in general. Though part of that feeling I think is due to the various sounds of the letters being 'pre-programmed' into your brain based on your native language. And, of course, some grammar rules being 'unspoken' =/
(Swedish, as an example, has a lot of grammar rules that people today have no clue about. We have two different "a/an" words, but instead of the relatively simple "not vowel sound/vowel sound" rule that English has, it has to do with what gender the noun has... and Swedish hasn't officially used genders on words for a couple of decades or more. But the rule's still there ^^; Same with what the plural form of the noun is supposed to be. I think there's three or four different plural endings to words x_x)



(Sorry for the language detour, btw, OP... I just find etymology and languages in general highly interesting.)

[Linadae]

My memory of old Norse language is rusty, since it's about 15-20 years since I went through that time period in school, but I'd say it's not so much an issue of consonants being considered vowels as there being an assumed vowel interspaced. So 'haldr' for example would be pronounced 'haldir' (random example to show what I mean, not necessarily a 100% correct example). Though yes, Y is considered a vowel, so if you're used to that being a consonant you'd be correct in your statement =)
(Then again, Welsh considers W to be a vowel, so...... *shrugs*)

Sorry, when I typed my original post, my mother was talking to me so I skipped words and then promptly failed to proofread properly. What I had MEANT to say was that it was likely there was/is consonants that double as vowels. I have a nasty tendency to think faster than I type. So letters/words end up getting lost.