gender equality and social disorder

[Blood-Aki]

The whole 'I don't want to see males in dresses' argument is absolutely pathetic. That's just like me saying 'I don't like your glamour and don't want to see it.'

The fact this is a fantasy game and not real life gives people even more the reason to request this.. If looking at a male, non-existent character, entirety based on fantasy wearing a dress offends you, you should play another game.

It's the fact Majority of the playerbase does not want to see males in dresses, i highly doubt you could walk outside and randomly see a male walking around in a pretty pink dress, and if you do, chances are most people around you are quite disturbed. fantasy or not, some things can make you cringe, irl or not. Thankfully, this is not something I see SE doing anytime soon, so no need for people who vomit over that stuff to worry about it.

[Noxifer]

It's the fact Majority of the playerbase does not want to see males in dresses, i highly doubt you could walk outside and randomly see a male walking around in a pretty pink dress, and if you do, chances are most people around you are quite disturbed. fantasy or not, some things can make you cringe, irl or not. Thankfully, this is not something I see SE doing anytime soon, so no need for people who vomit over that stuff to worry about it.

I highly doubt you could walk outside and randomly see a female walking around in plate armour and a big axe on their back, either, and I assure you that people around them would be equally disturbed, if not for the same reason.
Secondly, I have an FC mate who made a 'pretty princess' town glamour (i.e. just a gearset and not actually using glamour prisms) with a pink-dyed robe. Thirdly, it's possible to combine tops and skirts that exist in the game to create quite dress-looking apparels, so it does already exist in-game.
(Fourthly, there are plenty of female characters running around in ridiculous and/or potentially nausea-inducing outfits, but that issue is never considered equally important, it seems.)

The problem with people holding that sentiment is that they focus so hard on that specific thing that they completely ignore the other half of this argument/request -- female avatars get more outfits than male avatars. And to many of us, it seems it would take less time/effort to adjust the current female-only (without male-only equivalent) and make them unisex (keeping the original appearance when worn by a female character, using the adjusted appearance when worn by a male character, similar to some other unisex pieces), than it would to create a new outfit from scratch AND resist the temptation to make that new design unisex.

[WinterLuna]

It's the fact Majority of the playerbase does not want to see males in dresses, i highly doubt you could walk outside and randomly see a male walking around in a pretty pink dress, and if you do, chances are most people around you are quite disturbed. fantasy or not, some things can make you cringe, irl or not. Thankfully, this is not something I see SE doing anytime soon, so no need for people who vomit over that stuff to worry about it.

Okay, except Hildibrand wears a dress in one if the quests (for humour), so it's already in game. Does this make you vomit? Are you actually that disturbed over it?

Plus the OP has already stated many times its all about fairness and wanting a male counterpart. I just think it's incredibly ridiculous to be genuinely offended over some pixels wearing dress.

I could turn around and say half naked Lalafell's disturb me but I'm not really that concerned since I'm playing a fantasy video game.

[Serilda]

It's the fact Majority of the playerbase does not want to see males in dresses, i highly doubt you could walk outside and randomly see a male walking around in a pretty pink dress, and if you do, chances are most people around you are quite disturbed. fantasy or not, some things can make you cringe, irl or not. Thankfully, this is not something I see SE doing anytime soon, so no need for people who vomit over that stuff to worry about it.

Excuse me? Where is the evidence that the 'majority of the playerbase' feels so strongly about the horror that is men in dresses that they would find it cringeworthy?

Please don't push your personal preferences onto everyone and state your personal opinions as though they're proven facts. I assure you that if anything, the 'majority' of players don't care at all what everyone else is wearing. Seriously. And we just want the same number of outfits.

[Blood-Aki]

I highly doubt you could walk outside and randomly see a female walking around in plate armour and a big axe on their back, either, and I assure you that people around them would be equally disturbed, if not for the same reason.

Just like we can't throw healing spells and magic fireballs out our hands either. ANd no they wouldnt be disturbed, they would just be confused as to why they are dressed like that. You do understand the difference, right?

Secondly, I have an FC mate who made a 'pretty princess' town glamour (i.e. just a gearset and not actually using glamour prisms) with a pink-dyed robe. Thirdly, it's possible to combine tops and skirts that exist in the game to create quite dress-looking apparels, so it does already exist in-game.
(Fourthly, there are plenty of female characters running around in ridiculous and/or potentially nausea-inducing outfits, but that issue is never considered equally important, it seems.)

What is considerd "nausea" inducing is subjective. This is a moot point. Some people might actually like the smell of rotting garbage, while it makes others sick to the core.

The problem with people holding that sentiment is that they focus so hard on that specific thing that they completely ignore the other half of this argument/request -- female avatars get more outfits than male avatars. And to many of us, it seems it would take less time/effort to adjust the current female-only (without male-only equivalent) and make them unisex (keeping the original appearance when worn by a female character, using the adjusted appearance when worn by a male character, similar to some other unisex pieces), than it would to create a new outfit from scratch AND resist the temptation to make that new design unisex.

Then people would be better off asking for exclusive male outfits rather then asking for female outfits fit males. But this type of topic has been done before.

Okay, except Hildibrand wears a dress in one if the quests (for humour), so it's already in game. Does this make you vomit? Are you actually that disturbed over it?

You already said it, for Humour reasons, it's not something you will see around you, all the time, Hell people irl do it for humour or to be embarassed, so no, i don't vomit over that, nor did i say i was one to do so. Try not to put words into others mounts.

Plus the OP has already stated many times its all about fairness and wanting a male counterpart. I just think it's incredibly ridiculous to be genuinely offended over some pixels wearing dress.

Rofl, people get offended at the most MINOR things, this is a silly statement in it self. Not even going to bother.

I could turn around and say half naked Lalafell's disturb me but I'm not really that concerned since I'm playing a fantasy video game.

They are potato people, you look at it as a half naked patato, but that is another story, there really isn't much to see in this regard, but this was about opposite genders wearing each other's outfits, the statue of a being does not matter in this.

Excuse me? Where is the evidence that the 'majority of the playerbase' feels so strongly about the horror that is men in dresses that they would find it cringeworthy?

The fact that it is NOT in here? and these "i want cross dressing" topics are few and far in between, it is not something being asked of all the time. and thus why it will never be implemented. as i doubt you will see a lot of praise for it if it were.

Please don't push your personal preferences onto everyone and state your personal opinions as though they're proven facts. I assure you that if anything, the 'majority' of players don't care at all what everyone else is wearing. Seriously. And we just want the same number of outfits.

You have to remember that there is more then just you, Take your own advice you are trying to push on me. Just because they don't voice it like this does not mean the majority that you don't want to know about does not want this type of thing in game, Hence why it is not.

You can have the same number of outfits, nothing wrong with that. but then ask for more male outfits, not to fit female outfits on males. i personally don't care either way, but my primary point is don't expect this to happen, ever. because as i said MAJORITY of players do not want to see it.

[SchalaZeal]

To Samcaesar

And.. Women can be strong, independent people that can work as well or better than men (On an individual basis, because it's how that phrase is generally used) and yet they still do need special protections because society at large still is sexist as heck. It's not that men are some predatory and awful people by nature, it's that society encourages a lot of awful behavior in men that results in plenty of predatory

I wish society considered male victims, and female predators as well. Society has defined sexual predation as something mostly men do to mostly women by using pretty much word for word 2nd wave feminist definitions. And pedophilia keeps ignoring female perpetrators as even being possible, and we're talking with young kids (before puberty), not all the "couple in high school" stories we hear about.

It might do good to focus on the bad behavior rather than try to gender it. Having campaigns solely for female victims of DV is not helping the perception for male victims of female perpetrators, who people (including some who work in shelters or advocacy - who have no excuse) apparently think are unicorns.

To Noxifer

I think the 'not satisfying enough results' are pretty much the same for the other side ^^;

Oh they are probably worse on the other side. Knowing myself I'd probably forget dilation and it would close up too much. And I don't see huge benefits, especially if I can change my legal documentation for mention of sex without surgery, which I should be able to soon.

I'm somewhat lucky in that my town is 'overrun' by goth, metal and other alternative people, so there's plenty of guys here wearing 'feminine' clothes (some even skirts), having long hair and using make-up -- though maybe not in the 'normal' way ^_~ -- so people have more or less started to get used to it. Sure, they tend to do double-takes and/or stare, but then usually go, "Oh, it's just one of those guys again. Never mind."

My boyfriend has long hair and I wouldn't have it any other way. Conformism for conformism's sake repulses me.

And I probably also am aspie. Kinda proud of 'thinking differently' even if it's a handicap professionally. Big issues with foods though. Especially texture and strong tastes or smells (like strong cheeses or mayo).

The fact that it is NOT in here? and these "i want cross dressing" topics are few and far in between, it is not something being asked of all the time. and thus why it will never be implemented. as i doubt you will see a lot of praise for it if it were.

It's in WoW (men being able to wear tacky dresses and looking ugly), and the majority of people there, who are more fickle than FF14 players, didn't leave over that, OMG. Your majority is tiny.

[Hydrium]

You say social disorder, I say mental illness. Your move.

[Kalsam]

You can have the same number of outfits, nothing wrong with that. but then ask for more male outfits, not to fit female outfits on males. i personally don't care either way, but my primary point is don't expect this to happen, ever. because as i said MAJORITY of players do not want to see it.

Please stop using that word. Unless you can show evidence that it is, indeed, the "majority", your use of the word is completely useless.
The "majority" of people in this thread have actually agreed with the OP, in that there should be more balance to the outfits in game. Which is also what the OP originally intended (as they have stated a number of times throughout the thread), but ended up coming across differently due to a) bad title choice to begin and b) possibly not knowing how to specifically detail the request they wanted. =\

[Blood-Aki]

It's in WoW (men being able to wear tacky dresses and looking ugly), and the majority of people there, who are more fickle than FF14 players, didn't leave over that, OMG. Your majority is tiny.

OMG you mentioned an entirely different, dated game where it's graphics are pretty poor either way. May as well throw in FF7 where cloud dresses as a female, too.

Please stop using that word. Unless you can show evidence that it is, indeed, the "majority", your use of the word is completely useless.
The "majority" of people in this thread have actually agreed with the OP, in that there should be more balance to the outfits in game. Which is also what the OP originally intended (as they have stated a number of times throughout the thread), but ended up coming across differently due to a) bad title choice to begin and b) possibly not knowing how to specifically detail the request they wanted. =\

Why don't YOU show me evidence, that it isn't, go ahead, Take a vote on players that wouldn't mind seeing this vs those who don't and watch the results. There is a reason it's not in the game, and no amount of the minority of you crying and wishing it was here will get it in. but the votes i will wait for you to gather will show you that.

The majority of people even posting in this thread are the ones wanting it as most people like me (untill recently that is) simply steered clear of this thread for the exact reason i'm going through now, getting attacked by the supporters if you aren't praising and want it to happen.. They simply don't want anything to do with it.

[Roegadyn_Bear]

"Actual feminists" is a loaded term akin to "No true scotsman" fallacies. And.. Women can be strong, independent people that can work as well or better than men (On an individual basis, because it's how that phrase is generally used) and yet they still do need special protections because society at large still is sexist as heck. It's not that men are some predatory and awful people by nature, it's that society encourages a lot of awful behavior in men that results in plenty of predatory

I personally associate myself with inclusive feminists who gets incredibly annoyed at generalizing statements without making much in depth thought as to what is being said. Tumblr is a very large site with no clear notation on what's actually "popular" and what isn't due to it's structure, you can't define a "tumblr feminist" any more than you can define a "tumblr neo-nazi" or "tumblr artist" making the moniker useless. I mean, yes you hit a nerve, but that's because you're continuing to perpetuate a completely useless phrase that people use to discredit a certain part of a philosophy that existed prior to the site's existence. It's a bad way to have discourse lol.

I will also tell you right now that a lot of groups within Tumblr tend to be giant echo chambers, hence the generalization, and that quite a few women hide behind the label of feminism in order to hate men. This won't be changing anytime soon and you'll see the term "Tumblr" used to refer to extremism that pretends to be activism on the internet more often than you'd like.