Is this a common thing for tanks to do?

[Adire]

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I don't know the answer to this question because I don't tank in this way.

The fact that this brought up discussion as to whether or not tagging mobs is worth doing should show that some people believe it's not....

Jeez people. I can clearly see hostility and persecution for simply being curious about a mindset are going to win the day here. Just another day on the forums. +3 votes on a comment that is nothing but blatant, blind assumption and criticism based off of it. Don't even know why I posted this topic, I should know by now people here will turn any thread into a warzone and jabbing fest at the OP.

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Turning around for a second to overpower, stopping until vuln fell off, just saving flashes to make sure every mob is hit, all better options than running off with huge damage incoming without being able to accept any heals safely.

[Imoen]

Jeez people. I can clearly see hostility and persecution for simply being curious about a mindset are going to win the day here. Just another day on the forums. +3 votes on a comment that is nothing but blatant, blind assumption and criticism based off of it. Don't even know why I posted this topic, I should know by now people here will turn any thread into a warzone and jabbing fest at the OP.

In fairness it was kind of a loaded question (if that was intended or not I have no idea) however; I don't see this "warzone" you are talking about. Maybe I missed something? Seems like people are being pretty civil to me.

[fm_fenrir]

Turning around for a second to overpower, stopping until vuln fell off, just saving flashes to make sure every mob is hit, all better options than running off with huge damage incoming without being able to accept any heals safely.

You can't stop on a big pull, because the instant you stop your DPS think you're done and start laying into the mobs you already have. It almost invariably turns into a wipe when you continue the pull and your DPS are still beating up things you only hit with a single overpower.

[Adire]

In fairness it was kind of a loaded question (if that was intended or not I have no idea) however; I don't see this "warzone" you are talking about. Maybe I missed something? Seems like people are being pretty civil to me.

It's both your fault and the tank's fault. Without more details, it's hard to say who is more at fault.

Yes, you had a bad experience and shouldn't have been raged at, and no, it's not common that all tanks are bad, and yes, you wanted to vent on tanks in the tank forum to feel better and don't really have a question.

Sorry that happened but don't kick the tank forum and wonder why people are defensive about you asking if all tanks are bad.

And Ashkendor subtly playing along with IndigoHawk's assumptions that I am here to criticize all tanks and don't actually legitimate wonder about why people do this. There's your hostility and jabbing. Everyone else has been civil, even if not agreeing with me about stopping. And I suppose Ashkender wasn't technically hostile, though I don't believe encouraging people who are making blind assumptions in order to fuel their criticisms as if they're the truth isn't a good thing to do. And I'll say again, it's not a loaded question. Hence why I have been discussing this with people who tank differently and do indeed frequently skip building aggro on some mobs. If they can do it efficiently, I say great, go for it.

Also the 3 people who mysteriously upvoted IndigoHawk's blind assumptive rant at me. Same people who posted or not, who knows, but again, support of such things isn't much better than that itself.

You can't stop on a big pull, because the instant you stop your DPS think you're done and start laying into the mobs you already have. It almost invariably turns into a wipe when you continue the pull and your DPS are still beating up things you only hit with a single overpower.

If DPS keep attacking even as you're running, then the DPS would be 100% at fault. It's not hard to figure out even after a temporary stop if the tank is done or not.

[fm_fenrir]

If DPS keep attacking even as you're running, then the DPS would be 100% at fault. It's not hard to figure out even after a temporary stop if the tank is done or not.

Rule 1 of pickups: Assume everyone you're grouped with is actually a monkey in front of a keyboard, and then give the monkey marijuana and Adderall.

DPS will jump on mobs the instant you stop, because they're bads or they think you're done and don't stop to wait for you. Worse, the healer might throw a regen on you when you park to pivot for overpower, which means now you have to click regen off before you continue the pull, or the healer is about to get dunked on. It's a lot more effort on my part as the tank to organize three people in this very carefully constructed ballet, when I can use brute force and guide them to where I want them to be by taking the pull to the breakpoint.

[Adire]

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Well, if we're using "bads" as a starting point here, there are "bads" who will attack everything at first sight even if you don't stop, then they'll certainly take aggro if you don't tag them. And clicking regen off as you're running isn't hard. At least if you've hit everything, a regen tick or 4 shouldn't take aggro from you if your gear is halfway decent. And if you've hit everything, melees will have a pain to try and keep up with mobs to hit them as they're running unless they go out of their way to stun lock and hold them, which is again, completely their fault. Same thing if BLMs follow the mobs scathe spamming, their fault completely.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've lost aggro after needing to stop to tag mobs, and one of the 2 times I remember specifically was a DPS who wasn't even following with the rest of the group. He stun locked a mob, stood back when he had aggro, and didn't come through the quicksand pit (in CC) with us. No idea what he was thinking, but yeah. He paid the price for his bad decision.

[TouchandFeel]

I'm going to just do a quick deconstruction of the statements made in the initial post and how they could be construed as negative commentary leveled at a portion of the tanking population.

The question was posed, "Is it common for tanks during big pulls to miss agro on some mobs?"

This in a way has already set a negative tone to any pending discussion because the word miss/missing was used and that word has a very strong negative connotation to it when used in such a scenario. When someone misses something it usually carries the implication that they made a mistake either by missing said things or that lead to them missing them.
This could then lead the reader of the question to interpret the question more or less as "Is it common for tanks to f**k up their pulls by not tagging every mob as they run" and as you know there are some tanks that don't agree with this method of pulling, myself included, for justifiable reasons.

After that an example was given of a scenario in which a tank performed poorly and they also did not pull in the aforementioned way. This then reinforced the negative connotation and implication already forming around the initial question/statement.

This amount of, potentially unintentional, subtext to the question made some readers view the original post and question as rhetorical and a bit of a jab at tanks who may be of differing opinion or not of the same mindset.

I believe this is most likely at least a major contributor to why some of the responses were how and what they were.

So basically, people should be mindful of not immediately taking a defensive posture, jumping to conclusions and responding to things in sharp or combative manners.

Also people should be mindful when expressing themselves of not only what they say but how they say it. Language is a complex and fluid thing with many implied and situational meanings that can carry just as much, if not more, weight than the actual base definition of the words. This is doubly true in writing, as there are no auditory cues such as voice inflection, etc. to help with the conveyance of intended meaning.

So, check yourself before posting, responding, acting, reacting, etc. If what you are about to say or do would come off negatively if someone did the same to you, maybe it would be best to rethink your approach. Unless you of course intend to come off that way, but that is a different topic altogether.

P.S. These final statements of keeping oneself in check is not leveled at anyone in particular, but is something that I feel everyone should strive to practice. I try to hold myself to this both online and irl, although I do admittedly slip up every now and then.

[Ashkendor]

I don't know the answer to this question because I don't tank in this way.

The question isn't whether or not your post is rhetorical, but rather whether or not it appears rhetorical.

This amount of, potentially unintentional, subtext to the question made some readers view the original post and question as rhetorical and a bit of a jab at tanks who may be of differing opinion or not of the same mindset.

This was basically my point. It seems skewed that way, so it puts people immediately on the defensive.

Apparently I'm just "subtly playing along" though.

[Freyyy]

What's the point of this argument guys ? Does it serve any actual purpose ?

[SpookyGhost]

Basically, there's two ways to do large pulls:

1. Avoid enough damage to not need any healing before you reach the end or

2. Get aggro on everything and let the healer cure you as you go

The first is better, but generally if you're not sure how well you can do a pull it's a lot safer to just get aggro on everything.