Is this a common thing for tanks to do?

[Adire]

Yes, you had a bad experience and shouldn't have been raged at, and no, it's not common that all tanks are bad, and yes, you wanted to vent on tanks in the tank forum to feel better and don't really have a question.

Sorry that happened but don't kick the tank forum and wonder why people are defensive about you asking if all tanks are bad.

It was a legitimate question. I wanted to see if it's as common for others as it seems to be for me. Which still isn't all THAT common.

Also, please do quote where I said or asked if all tanks are bad. I tank more often than I heal myself.

Nice try at attempting to act like you know what I'm thinking, but you failed at it. The immediately confrontational people and wanna-be mindreaders around these forums is really getting old.

[Ashkendor]

Also, please do quote where I said or asked if all tanks are bad.

Your post is titled 'Is this a common thing for tanks to do?' immediately followed by:

Doing large pulls that is, and missing aoe aggro on some mobs.

Then you described a scenario with a tank that got hit by the vuln-up debuff as well. If you tank more often than you heal (as you stated you did), you already know the answer to the question you're asking. You are, in effect, asking rhetorically if bad tanks are common. My answer to that is: they aren't any more common than bad healers or bad dps. They're just more noticeable. I think what people are taking umbrage with is the fact that you're kind of framing it as a rhetorical question - i.e. you just came into the tank forums to bitch about a bad tank that raged at you rather than to ask an actual legitimate question.

I'm sorry you got a bad tank, and I'm sorry they raged at you. But no, it's not common practice. I make sure to tag all the mobs I'm picking up when I'm doing big pulls whether it be with a flash as I'm passing by or individually shield lobbing the ones I missed.

[Adire]

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I don't know the answer to this question because I don't tank in this way.

The fact that this brought up discussion as to whether or not tagging mobs is worth doing should show that some people believe it's not....

Jeez people. I can clearly see hostility and persecution for simply being curious about a mindset are going to win the day here. Just another day on the forums. +3 votes on a comment that is nothing but blatant, blind assumption and criticism based off of it. Don't even know why I posted this topic, I should know by now people here will turn any thread into a warzone and jabbing fest at the OP.

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Turning around for a second to overpower, stopping until vuln fell off, just saving flashes to make sure every mob is hit, all better options than running off with huge damage incoming without being able to accept any heals safely.

[Imoen]

Jeez people. I can clearly see hostility and persecution for simply being curious about a mindset are going to win the day here. Just another day on the forums. +3 votes on a comment that is nothing but blatant, blind assumption and criticism based off of it. Don't even know why I posted this topic, I should know by now people here will turn any thread into a warzone and jabbing fest at the OP.

In fairness it was kind of a loaded question (if that was intended or not I have no idea) however; I don't see this "warzone" you are talking about. Maybe I missed something? Seems like people are being pretty civil to me.

[fm_fenrir]

Turning around for a second to overpower, stopping until vuln fell off, just saving flashes to make sure every mob is hit, all better options than running off with huge damage incoming without being able to accept any heals safely.

You can't stop on a big pull, because the instant you stop your DPS think you're done and start laying into the mobs you already have. It almost invariably turns into a wipe when you continue the pull and your DPS are still beating up things you only hit with a single overpower.

[Adire]

In fairness it was kind of a loaded question (if that was intended or not I have no idea) however; I don't see this "warzone" you are talking about. Maybe I missed something? Seems like people are being pretty civil to me.

It's both your fault and the tank's fault. Without more details, it's hard to say who is more at fault.

Yes, you had a bad experience and shouldn't have been raged at, and no, it's not common that all tanks are bad, and yes, you wanted to vent on tanks in the tank forum to feel better and don't really have a question.

Sorry that happened but don't kick the tank forum and wonder why people are defensive about you asking if all tanks are bad.

And Ashkendor subtly playing along with IndigoHawk's assumptions that I am here to criticize all tanks and don't actually legitimate wonder about why people do this. There's your hostility and jabbing. Everyone else has been civil, even if not agreeing with me about stopping. And I suppose Ashkender wasn't technically hostile, though I don't believe encouraging people who are making blind assumptions in order to fuel their criticisms as if they're the truth isn't a good thing to do. And I'll say again, it's not a loaded question. Hence why I have been discussing this with people who tank differently and do indeed frequently skip building aggro on some mobs. If they can do it efficiently, I say great, go for it.

Also the 3 people who mysteriously upvoted IndigoHawk's blind assumptive rant at me. Same people who posted or not, who knows, but again, support of such things isn't much better than that itself.

You can't stop on a big pull, because the instant you stop your DPS think you're done and start laying into the mobs you already have. It almost invariably turns into a wipe when you continue the pull and your DPS are still beating up things you only hit with a single overpower.

If DPS keep attacking even as you're running, then the DPS would be 100% at fault. It's not hard to figure out even after a temporary stop if the tank is done or not.

[fm_fenrir]

If DPS keep attacking even as you're running, then the DPS would be 100% at fault. It's not hard to figure out even after a temporary stop if the tank is done or not.

Rule 1 of pickups: Assume everyone you're grouped with is actually a monkey in front of a keyboard, and then give the monkey marijuana and Adderall.

DPS will jump on mobs the instant you stop, because they're bads or they think you're done and don't stop to wait for you. Worse, the healer might throw a regen on you when you park to pivot for overpower, which means now you have to click regen off before you continue the pull, or the healer is about to get dunked on. It's a lot more effort on my part as the tank to organize three people in this very carefully constructed ballet, when I can use brute force and guide them to where I want them to be by taking the pull to the breakpoint.

[Adire]

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Well, if we're using "bads" as a starting point here, there are "bads" who will attack everything at first sight even if you don't stop, then they'll certainly take aggro if you don't tag them. And clicking regen off as you're running isn't hard. At least if you've hit everything, a regen tick or 4 shouldn't take aggro from you if your gear is halfway decent. And if you've hit everything, melees will have a pain to try and keep up with mobs to hit them as they're running unless they go out of their way to stun lock and hold them, which is again, completely their fault. Same thing if BLMs follow the mobs scathe spamming, their fault completely.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've lost aggro after needing to stop to tag mobs, and one of the 2 times I remember specifically was a DPS who wasn't even following with the rest of the group. He stun locked a mob, stood back when he had aggro, and didn't come through the quicksand pit (in CC) with us. No idea what he was thinking, but yeah. He paid the price for his bad decision.

[Imoen]

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Honestly, I see nothing wrong with those comments. /shrug I guess it is a perception thing.

Oh well, thanks for responding. I was just curious.

I'm not here to upset you further though, so I'm going to bow out of this for now. I do sincerely hope you have better experiences in future runs. ^^