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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicKirby View Post
    I'm not quite sure how you don't see the implications of your initial post at all.
    Perhaps because the implications exist in your head, not mine.


    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicKirby View Post
    **considerable snippage**
    That's a huge leap in logic. He's describing them as lazy and not as bad.
    Who's breating who again?

    BTW you seem to be attempting to redefine "lazy scrubs" into some neutral term that somehow isn't negative and judgemental, your entire misplaced rant seems based on an incredibly unrealistic and highly optimistic interpretation of "lazy scrubs". I don't know anyone who takes that phrase to mean anything other than a negative description of people that the person using the phrase considers to be somehow lesser. In this context, it's painfully obvious that the inference was about player skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    In this context, it's painfully obvious that the inference was about player skill.
    And? S/he stated that s/he disliked players who performed poorly, and that it was due to their laziness. I can't disagree, learning a basic rotation is incredibly simple and requires 30 minutes to an hour of practice at most. Is s/he not allowed to hold an opinion because it might offend some the exact people that are the problem? How about instead of taking offense, they take it as feedback and get better at the game?
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    Last edited by Colorful; 10-11-2015 at 02:31 PM. Reason: missed a word

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    CosmicKirby's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Perhaps because the implications exist in your head, not mine.
    Well, the written word is open to a lot of interpretation, more so than speech. It pays to consider how you might be received when typing out a message that might not have the same verbal and somatic queues in face-to-face conversation. Notice how I said your statement "could also be interpreted as" at one point? It certainly can, but it's unclear. Blaming a reader for the interpretation isn't a good way to argue. Typically when I find that people don't react how I expect them to when I speak or write, I try to examine if I could have been more cogent, that's how I react to criticism and negative feedback.


    If the likes I received in my posts are indicative of anything, others possibly felt that way as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    BTW you seem to be attempting to redefine "lazy scrubs" into some neutral term that somehow isn't negative and judgemental, your entire misplaced rant seems based on an incredibly unrealistic and highly optimistic interpretation of "lazy scrubs". I don't know anyone who takes that phrase to mean anything other than a negative description of people that the person using the phrase considers to be somehow lesser. In this context, it's painfully obvious that the inference was about player skill.
    I take objection to this on a base level, my comments on reacting to criticism will reflect this, but first.

    Scrub can usually be understood as a term of status firstly, and an insult second. To quote actual writing:
    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.sirlin.net/
    The derogatory term “scrub” means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.
    So if a player is playing poorly, which we CAN assume in this case, (if the original poster was actually carrying underperforming players,) they can accurately be called bad at the current game they're playing. When conflict arises, people tend to have to interact in less than entirely positive ways. Aptly criticizing players who are not good and are not playing with the mindset of winning, one that requires you strive to improve, is an acceptable way of communicating.

    Negative feedback isn't inherently incorrect or rude, and it can very well be constructive. As I mentioned earlier, I personally tend to reflect on the situation with the consideration that the criticism is legitimate. If someone is calling me out on doing something poorly, I'll first consider that I am in-fact doing it poorly, and I would then correct myself if my performance was found/likely the case.

    I think there's a very distinguishable difference of opinion here. I do not find negative responses and words to be so disruptive as to justify that one should endeavor to avoid them. They serve a purpose.
    Further, I don't find the consequences of using reasonably negative language to be so severe that one shouldn't use them to accurately describe others. A couple of negative words about how I perform in a videogame has yet to have a substantial effect on my enjoyment of them in about 20 years. Especially the words of individuals whom I have no relation to.

    In short: Yes, calling them "lazy scrubs" is a bit negative, it's supposed to be. In a situation like arguing over a videogame with strangers, that's fine.
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    Last edited by CosmicKirby; 10-11-2015 at 02:42 PM. Reason: get around that 1k limit.