The issue nobody wants to address

[Fevelle]

People should stop complaining about other people's playstyle and just go with it. As long as you clear the content, it's more than enough, at least for me.

And I hate PF because I have social anxiety and having to talk and ask for someone to accept me into their party does not feel good at all.

[Fevelle]

Another answer is to stop giving away high end gear to every scrub out there.

High end gear should be earned through challenges and better gear earned through harder challenges. Not just "I grinded the same 3 dungeons 100 times... IM AWESOME... Now I get to do it all again in 3.1 and be AWESOMER!:

Casuals DONT need good gear and giving them good gear gets them into places they don't belong.

In most games your gear is a sign of how good at the game you are because that gear is difficult to obtain.

My god, that's a lot of hate. Well, casuals belongs wherever they want. Whether or not you want to play with them is a complete different story, and that's why you can form a party with people you trust. Stop giving casual rewards and content and SQEX will have losses on the largest part of this community.

[Sapphic]

People should stop complaining about other people's playstyle and just go with it. As long as you clear the content, it's more than enough, at least for me.

So you are saying it is fine if someone goes semi AFK and just auto attacks the mobs while the rest of the party do all the effort, extra in fact to clear the content? What if it's the tank who does that? Or the healer? If DPS are allowed to play half assed then the other roles should have a free pass to do so also.

Yeah, that would go down well, and pretty much know who the first one to complain would be.

Seriously, players should go into party content with the mindset of if everyone plays how they are playing, will we be able to clear? Truthfully, if the whole party played at the same level as that one lazy "special snowflake". No one would even pass the first trash in a dungeon.

Why can't so many players stop being so selfish? It's selfish not to put in any effort when everyone else is. It's selfish to think only of yourself when the whole party needs to contribute to allow success.

A parser, in a way, will work as tough love to those who think they perform when they don't. They will either run crying to mommy or think, yeah, I ain't as good as I thought, time to improve so I don't keep getting removed from parties. Which, IMO, is a win for the community.

IF you know you are going into DF and theres a very high chance you will get a competent party in there, for a start, tanks would be more willing to tank in DF.

[Fevelle]

So you are saying it is fine if someone goes semi AFK and just autop attacks the mobs while the rest of the party do all the effort, added in fact to clear the content? What if it's the tank who does that? Or the healer? If DPS are allowed to play half assed then the other roles should have a free pass to do so also.

Going semi-afk isn't playing at all. What I'm saying is that if someone isn't on top of their rotations or DPS, but can still pull enough to clear the content without embarassing anyone, there's no need to pick on them or label them bad just because they have place for improvement, the same goes for healers and tanks.

[Sapphic]

Going semi-afk isn't playing at all. What I'm saying is that if someone isn't on top of their rotations or DPS, but can still pull enough to clear the content without embarassing anyone, there's no need to pick on them or label them bad just because they have place for improvement, the same goes for healers and tanks.

Thing is no one cares if content is getting cleared. The problems are when for true examples. DPS 1 doing 1300-1400 DPS on expert boss. DPS 2 doing 270-280 DPS. Yet when given friendly advice on how to improve totally ignores. If I had dropped down to the same level as DPS 2 we would not have cleared. How is that fair?

Aery me on PLD, Nidhogg fight when he goes away and adds spawn, DPS could not meet the DPS check before we wiped with Nidhoggs ultimate, BLM was using Blizz 3 and Fire 3 with upto 10 seconds pause between each cast. Tried to give advice, met with silence, tried 3 times the fight, with advice after each wipe. Ended up kicking and getting a replacement. How is that fair? He wasted time of 3 other people, did not know his most basic rotation and was unwilling to accept advice.

They basically turned around and implied fuuufuuu you, you can do everything I'm a special snowflake.

You could say that is what the kick function is for. I agree, but I don't want to have to kick players from party, all they have to be is open to advice if they are struggling. But without evidence they cannot refute there is nothing you can do if they are not willing to listen.

Think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've asked this question that no anti-parser person has yet answered.

Why shouldn't DPS be as accountable for bad play as much as tanks and healers are?

[Archaell]

People should stop complaining about other people's playstyle and just go with it. As long as you clear the content, it's more than enough, at least for me.

That's the thing unfair to the tanks and healers right here. Quite often poor tanks and healers get kicked or tormented by the rest of the team - tormented means ninja pulling etc.

So you are saying it is fine if someone goes semi AFK and just auto attacks the mobs while the rest of the party do all the effort, extra in fact to clear the content? What if it's the tank who does that? Or the healer? If DPS are allowed to play half assed then the other roles should have a free pass to do so also.

Yeah, that would go down well, and pretty much know who the first one to complain would be.

Seriously, players should go into party content with the mindset of if everyone plays how they are playing, will we be able to clear? Truthfully, if the whole party played at the same level as that one lazy "special snowflake". No one would even pass the first trash in a dungeon.

That's exactly my approach to things.

Going semi-afk isn't playing at all. What I'm saying is that if someone isn't on top of their rotations or DPS, but can still pull enough to clear the content without embarassing anyone, there's no need to pick on them or label them bad just because they have place for improvement, the same goes for healers and tanks.

It would be nice if the same went for the healers and tanks. Seriously, nobody wants dps to be at top of their rotations. They should just be required to put in similar performance as tanks and healers.

[Fevelle]

Like I said "if someone isn't on top of their rotations or DPS, but can still pull enough to clear the content without embarassing anyone" is okay, but that was not the case with your example. And yes, that's what the kick is for, because that person is probably a troll, since dungeons are doable with very minimum requirements.

[Archaell]

Like I said "if someone isn't on top of their rotations or DPS, but can still pull enough to clear the content without embarassing anyone" is okay, but that was not the case with your example. And yes, that's what the kick is for, because that person is probably a troll, since dungeons are doable with very minimum requirements.

Even with parser players would still be able to play without embarassing anyone. Right know you get immunity to being exposed for your insufficient contribution. Not cool. I wonder how many players would be willing to do that if the whole team would see how much work their put in, and how much of they work they leave to others.

[odahviings]

Salut tous le monde

[Archaell]

Hello there.

We talked about parser, we talked about gated content. What about history of used abilities? Let's say last ten used abilities - displayed for the whole party to see. There are no numbers, so dps does not matter. There are only "rotations". With a little bit of knowledge it would be possible to see when somebody needs few pointers about their job.