The issue nobody wants to address

[Archaell]

LOL yes, we have allowed our rights to be abrogated in the interests of 'safety' and security haven't we? And in this case, essentially parser proponents are arguing that we should abrogate our rights to decline parsing in favor of *their* interests.

You don't understand one thing. If the parsing would be optional, you would have your right to decline parsing. Nobody would steal your right. But... The rest of the group would have right to kick you from the group for it. That's their right. They would vote if you should stay or not and everybody would use their right to do so. Democracy \o/

Now for the parser that is not optional. Every member of group would see your data, but you would have access to their data. Same rights for everyone. \o/

Slacking off in duty finder is like refusing to pay your subscription fees in full amount. What happens then? The services provided by the group get terminated. You are of course free to search for a new group. But if you aren't pulling your weight the chances are the servises would get yet again get terminated based on democratic vote.

Parser creates problems for people who are not willing to do their part in fights. Your average Miqo'te may get abused for doing a little bit less dps, but do not worry, in such situation you are granted the protection of our vigilant GMs.

[Kosmos992k]

You don't understand one thing. If the parsing would be optional, you would have your right to decline parsing. Nobody would steal your right. But... The rest of the group would have right to kick you from the group for it. That's their right. They would vote if you should stay or not and everybody would use their right to do so. Democracy \o/

You are arguing in favor of imposing something on the majority that is desired by a minority, and yet your argument is democracy? Not that this is a democracy, in the end SE decides what goes and what does not, and I suspect that they will decide what they decide regardless of what we say.

Why can't you see that simply imposing an official parser on everyone is an act that removes/ignores the rights of players to choose? I'm not saying people won't parse, clearly they will. I'm not saying that pre-mades and end-game teams might need to parse, that's really their decision. The situation right now allows players to make that choice if they want to - without taking that choice, or anything else, away from any other players.

[Archaell]

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Rights to choose what? Extorting others for their own benefit? Because this is the problem. Without official parser we either have no right to complain or we do not even know that somebody has been exploiting us. Parser at least shows you that it is happening and who is causing you harm. And yes, forcing others to do your work is harmful.

I am open to suggestion how can you fix this without use of parser. And using premade parties isn't fix, as these people would just exploit others.

btw. sometimes these players do it due to lack of knowledge or experience. In this case parser would show us where the help is needed and we would be able to fix it. Every player that gets better can then help others to get also better.

[Kosmos992k]

Rights to choose what? Extorting others for their own benefit?

Glass half empty, or glass half full.

I can't argue this any further. I don't believe that there is a widespread problem with people "extorting others for their own benefit" in this game, and I don't think many others would believe so either. It seems a very extreme view in my opinion, and as such, I don't believe we can have a meaningful discussion on that point.

[Archaell]

Glass half empty, or glass half full.

50% of water and 50% of air. You can't ignore the air.

Do you know what would make you believe it? ... Parser. It is easy to ignore something that you can't see. Grab your tank and time your dungeon runs. Tank few instances exactly the same way. Then compare the results. Sooner or later you will get extremely fast run and extremely slow run. The disparity is quite astonishing.

[Whiteroom]

You are arguing in favor of imposing something on the majority that is desired by a minority, and yet your argument is democracy? Not that this is a democracy, in the end SE decides what goes and what does not, and I suspect that they will decide what they decide regardless of what we say.

Why can't you see that simply imposing an official parser on everyone is an act that removes/ignores the rights of players to choose? .

Where do you get your majority, minority numbers?

Also how do you figure the situation right now allows players what they want, without taking the choice away. The last I checked, no console players, a rather large chunk of the playerbase have any choice in the matter.

Also SE does recieve playerbase feedback from the forums and listen to it.

I like the chioce of imposed to describe an official parser. Damn that imposed emote system! Damn that imposed vertical gear progression!

Also, I assume your sig is a troll, or were you really imposing the run you want on the team and were surprised by the response. Even I have the sense if I want a full clear to phrase it as "Could we please do a full exp clear?" You should listen to your own advice if you want to force a specific run style.