The issue nobody wants to address

[Kosmos992k]

An environment of people that are 'I play how I want' are also unpleasant for players that want to do stuff reasonably well, and also the more aggressive and horrid sort, as described here.

I wasn't talking about players who wave the "I play how I want" flag in peoples faces. The comment you quoted was specifically reference a group of players that were described as "situations where players are actually impaired, preventing them from be capable of playing beyond specific levels. I know several players who despite some significant challenges or impairments to their capability to react quickly, or execute rotations anything remotely like perfectly; absolutely enjoy playing FFXIV. "

I don't think it fair or accurate for you to equate being impaired in some manner, with people throwing "I play how I want" in others faces, which is what you are doing in the comment I am replying to. It's really a lot easier to discuss things when people don't mis-characterize a quote by cherry picking it and applying it in a manner not applicable to the original context.

[raelgun]

I wasn't talking about players who wave the "I play how I want" flag in peoples faces. The comment you quoted was specifically reference a group of players that were described as "situations where players are actually impaired, preventing them from be capable of playing beyond specific levels. "

You know whats sad here, people like you using people who have impairments in your excuses, do you speak on their behalf? are you there ambassador? hint you aren't and just using their impairment to justify your excuses so please do everyone a favour and don't involve them.

Its sad that people like your self in this playerbase are the first lot I have ever seen to do this, people with impairments understand their limitation with end game content, they don't need you do talk down on them and use their plight and quite frankly makes you a horrible person to do so.

Sane people will treat everyone equally, if someone with impairments gets called out on performance, thats fine, they are getting treated equally as everyone else like a regular human being like they are, not special treatment cases like you are trying to shoe horn somehow, you are highlighting in a very big way that they need special treatment and the game needs to be designed that way, is that what they want? To get special treatment?

[Kosmos992k]

You know whats sad here, people like you using people who have impairments in your excuses, do you speak on their behalf? are you there ambassador? hint you aren't and just using their impairment to justify your excuses so please do everyone a favour and don't involve them.

Its sad that people like your self in this playerbase are the first lot I have ever seen to do this, people with impairments understand their limitation with end game content, they don't need you do talk down on them and use their plight and quite frankly makes you a horrible person to do so.

Sane people will treat everyone equally, if someone with impairments gets called out on performance, thats fine, they are getting treated equally as everyone else like a regular human being like they are, not special treatment cases like you are trying to shoe horn somehow, you are highlighting in a very big way that they need special treatment and the game needs to be designed that way, is that what they want? To get special treatment?

Excuse me? What is your problem here? As it happens my son - who plays and enjoys FFXIV greatly - is quite impaired, he's autistic (high function), severely ADD and has major fine motor skill issues - among other impairments to his capability. So I know exactly what I am talking about and I'll happily represent his interests and those in the same boat as him. I think you should be taking back your nasty little comment and perhaps rethink your attitude.

[raelgun]

Excuse me? What is your problem here? As it happens my son - who plays and enjoys FFXIV greatly - is quite impaired, he's autistic (high function), severely ADD and has major fine motor skill issues - among other impairments to his capability. So I know exactly what I am talking about and I'll happily represent his interests and those in the same boat as him. I think you should be taking back your nasty little comment and perhaps rethink your attitude.

I actually have a little brother with an impairment and the last thing he wants is to be singled out being a special case for special treatment, he hates it, I treat him like I do with my other brothers so I know what I am talking about as well, hes also quite good at gaming, so no, my comment sticks, people should be treated equally and wanted to be treated equally and thats what they get.

[Kosmos992k]

I actually have a little brother with an impairment and the last thing he wants is to be singled out being a special case for special treatment, he hates it, I treat him like I do with my other brothers so I know what I am talking about as well, hes also quite good at gaming, so no, my comment sticks, people should be treated equally and wanted to be treated equally and thats what they get.

No, your comment doesn't stick, it stinks. First of all, I'm not using any one as an excuse to oppose the introduction of parsers, nor am I asking for special treatment for, or by, anyone.

I was simply pointing out that with generally available parser numbers, the general environment of the game becomes much more competitive and less friendly and frankly unpleasant to people who because of one impairment or another will more frequently be challenged by players demanding that they parse higher.

Being opposed to having a parser of all players individual performance being generally available does NOT equate at all to asking for special treatment for anyone. I've done and said nothing to suggest that any player should be singled out for special treatment or that any person should be treated differently from any other. I'm happy that you're brother is good at gaming, gaming is wonderful for teaching spacial awareness, motor skills, exercising the ability to plan ahead, following sequences of instruction among other things, so it's great that your brother is into gaming and that is something you can share.

It's just a pity that you're so keen to attack me rather than listen to what I'm saying.

[raelgun]

the general environment of the game because much more competitive and less friendly and frankly unpleasant to people who because of one impairment or another will more frequently be challenged by players demanding that they parse higher.

Being opposed to having a parser of all players individual performance being generally available does NOT equate at all to asking for special treatment for anyone.

These 2 sentences contradict each other, on one hand you acknowledge reasonable demands being unpleasant to those with impairments and quick to say not asking for special treatment, then what is that then.

[Kosmos992k]

These 2 sentences contradict each other, on one hand you acknowledge reasonable demands being unpleasant to those with impairments and quick to say not asking for special treatment, then what is that then.

How on earth do you see those as contradicting each other? One describes how a change to an environment may make some people (from among many groups) feel about it, and the other simply asserts that being opposed to having a parser of all players individual performance being generally available does NOT equate at all to asking for special treatment for anyone. There is no contradiction, except that in your own head.

I'm not gonna argue in circles with you here, I feel you're being both unreasonable and unnecessarily combative, so have fun on your own.

[RickXRolled]

Excuse me? What is your problem here? As it happens my son - who plays and enjoys FFXIV greatly - is quite impaired, he's autistic (high function), severely ADD and has major fine motor skill issues - among other impairments to his capability. So I know exactly what I am talking about and I'll happily represent his interests and those in the same boat as him. I think you should be taking back your nasty little comment and perhaps rethink your attitude.

I'm autistic(high function) and I can do atleast 90% of my class's maximum potential across 5 jobs and do end game raiding. I'm also very pro parser and hate all these lazy scrubs I've been carrying since 2.0.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm autistic(high function) and I can do atleast 90% of my class's maximum potential across 5 jobs and do end game raiding. I'm also very pro parser and hate all these lazy scrubs I've been carrying since 2.0.

I'm happy for you that you are capable of so much. I've worked with people with autism (allover the specturm of severity and symptom), CP, neuropathy, anxiety, and OCD among other issues; I'm extremely well aware of the range in capabilty, and especially in dealing with social interaction. The vast majority of the people I have met or worked with in this regard have difficulty dealing with any social interactions that are even remotely confrontational, and some won't interact beyond superficial greetings and pleasantries, and that is among those who will interact socially at all. The point being, everybody has different capability both in terms of playing and in terms of interacting.

It's great that you are able to cope with and overcome the challenges of life with Autism. Please also note that most people haven't got a clue that Autism is a specrtum disorder that ranges in both symptom and severity, and therefore many people don't understand that your experience isn't typical of Autism in general and is not typical of others.

BTW calling people lazy scrubs is really not a very tolerant way to behave, and considering how most people in general treat kids with any developmental disability, and the words that they use to describe them, I'm disappointed to see you using that kind of language.

[CosmicKirby]

BTW calling people lazy scrubs is really not a very tolerant way to behave, and considering how most people in general treat kids with any developmental disability, and the words that they use to describe them, I'm disappointed to see you using that kind of language.

This part right here comes off as really condescending to the person you quoted.


They did not make any statement about people with disabilities other than themselves. I don't see how tolerance is an issue with what they said at all. As they're using it, they seem to be describing players by their actions first and foremost, not any disability. I can see someone criticizing them for not considering why they might come off as lazy, but you're not doing that in this response. You're simply assuming that they're complaining about players with disabilities.

Further, you're projecting your experience and how you feel about disabilities to them in a condescending fashion. Through your life experiences you may have developed a certain way to describe others with disabilities, but you're making the assumption that the poster hasn't quite reached the same level of understanding that you have on the subject. Rather than disagreeing with them, you're berating them for not learning properly.