The issue nobody wants to address

[raelgun]

An environment where players use parser data to demand that others improve their performance would be unpleasant for players such as those I am describing.

An environment of people that are 'I play how I want' are also unpleasant for players that want to do stuff reasonably well, and also the more aggressive and horrid sort, as described here.

[Kosmos992k]

An environment of people that are 'I play how I want' are also unpleasant for players that want to do stuff reasonably well, and also the more aggressive and horrid sort, as described here.

I wasn't talking about players who wave the "I play how I want" flag in peoples faces. The comment you quoted was specifically reference a group of players that were described as "situations where players are actually impaired, preventing them from be capable of playing beyond specific levels. I know several players who despite some significant challenges or impairments to their capability to react quickly, or execute rotations anything remotely like perfectly; absolutely enjoy playing FFXIV. "

I don't think it fair or accurate for you to equate being impaired in some manner, with people throwing "I play how I want" in others faces, which is what you are doing in the comment I am replying to. It's really a lot easier to discuss things when people don't mis-characterize a quote by cherry picking it and applying it in a manner not applicable to the original context.

[raelgun]

I wasn't talking about players who wave the "I play how I want" flag in peoples faces. The comment you quoted was specifically reference a group of players that were described as "situations where players are actually impaired, preventing them from be capable of playing beyond specific levels. "

You know whats sad here, people like you using people who have impairments in your excuses, do you speak on their behalf? are you there ambassador? hint you aren't and just using their impairment to justify your excuses so please do everyone a favour and don't involve them.

Its sad that people like your self in this playerbase are the first lot I have ever seen to do this, people with impairments understand their limitation with end game content, they don't need you do talk down on them and use their plight and quite frankly makes you a horrible person to do so.

Sane people will treat everyone equally, if someone with impairments gets called out on performance, thats fine, they are getting treated equally as everyone else like a regular human being like they are, not special treatment cases like you are trying to shoe horn somehow, you are highlighting in a very big way that they need special treatment and the game needs to be designed that way, is that what they want? To get special treatment?

[Kosmos992k]

You know whats sad here, people like you using people who have impairments in your excuses, do you speak on their behalf? are you there ambassador? hint you aren't and just using their impairment to justify your excuses so please do everyone a favour and don't involve them.

Its sad that people like your self in this playerbase are the first lot I have ever seen to do this, people with impairments understand their limitation with end game content, they don't need you do talk down on them and use their plight and quite frankly makes you a horrible person to do so.

Sane people will treat everyone equally, if someone with impairments gets called out on performance, thats fine, they are getting treated equally as everyone else like a regular human being like they are, not special treatment cases like you are trying to shoe horn somehow, you are highlighting in a very big way that they need special treatment and the game needs to be designed that way, is that what they want? To get special treatment?

Excuse me? What is your problem here? As it happens my son - who plays and enjoys FFXIV greatly - is quite impaired, he's autistic (high function), severely ADD and has major fine motor skill issues - among other impairments to his capability. So I know exactly what I am talking about and I'll happily represent his interests and those in the same boat as him. I think you should be taking back your nasty little comment and perhaps rethink your attitude.

[whiskeybravo]

The "I play how I want" always makes me chuckle a bit.. Like, do you work on your car how you want? Lets mix up some fuel and oil lines, plug this thing in somewhere. Eff that connector we don't need it *snip*... When you go to work do you do your job how you want? Eff management, they don't know nothin.

I know those aren't the same as playing a game, games are casual etc etc. But the fact is there are specific orders to play your role optimally, and these don't really change (ie, the best rotation for me on DRG is the same as the best rotation for another random DRG). Bosses in every dungeon are the same every time you run that dungeon. Titan doesn't do a landslide one encounter and not in the next, etc. Some mechanics can be handled by different people (t8 towers, as example) but it doesn't change the mechanic itself, they still need to be handled. You can't just say eff this rotation, eff these mechanics. Well you can, certainly you can, but there are consequences for such stubbornness, like, having less friends xD

I don't know, just makes me lol

And, I just saw the comments regarding disabilities.. My comment is not in response to that..

[raelgun]

Excuse me? What is your problem here? As it happens my son - who plays and enjoys FFXIV greatly - is quite impaired, he's autistic (high function), severely ADD and has major fine motor skill issues - among other impairments to his capability. So I know exactly what I am talking about and I'll happily represent his interests and those in the same boat as him. I think you should be taking back your nasty little comment and perhaps rethink your attitude.

I actually have a little brother with an impairment and the last thing he wants is to be singled out being a special case for special treatment, he hates it, I treat him like I do with my other brothers so I know what I am talking about as well, hes also quite good at gaming, so no, my comment sticks, people should be treated equally and wanted to be treated equally and thats what they get.

[Kosmos992k]

I actually have a little brother with an impairment and the last thing he wants is to be singled out being a special case for special treatment, he hates it, I treat him like I do with my other brothers so I know what I am talking about as well, hes also quite good at gaming, so no, my comment sticks, people should be treated equally and wanted to be treated equally and thats what they get.

No, your comment doesn't stick, it stinks. First of all, I'm not using any one as an excuse to oppose the introduction of parsers, nor am I asking for special treatment for, or by, anyone.

I was simply pointing out that with generally available parser numbers, the general environment of the game becomes much more competitive and less friendly and frankly unpleasant to people who because of one impairment or another will more frequently be challenged by players demanding that they parse higher.

Being opposed to having a parser of all players individual performance being generally available does NOT equate at all to asking for special treatment for anyone. I've done and said nothing to suggest that any player should be singled out for special treatment or that any person should be treated differently from any other. I'm happy that you're brother is good at gaming, gaming is wonderful for teaching spacial awareness, motor skills, exercising the ability to plan ahead, following sequences of instruction among other things, so it's great that your brother is into gaming and that is something you can share.

It's just a pity that you're so keen to attack me rather than listen to what I'm saying.

[raelgun]

the general environment of the game because much more competitive and less friendly and frankly unpleasant to people who because of one impairment or another will more frequently be challenged by players demanding that they parse higher.

Being opposed to having a parser of all players individual performance being generally available does NOT equate at all to asking for special treatment for anyone.

These 2 sentences contradict each other, on one hand you acknowledge reasonable demands being unpleasant to those with impairments and quick to say not asking for special treatment, then what is that then.

[Kosmos992k]

These 2 sentences contradict each other, on one hand you acknowledge reasonable demands being unpleasant to those with impairments and quick to say not asking for special treatment, then what is that then.

How on earth do you see those as contradicting each other? One describes how a change to an environment may make some people (from among many groups) feel about it, and the other simply asserts that being opposed to having a parser of all players individual performance being generally available does NOT equate at all to asking for special treatment for anyone. There is no contradiction, except that in your own head.

I'm not gonna argue in circles with you here, I feel you're being both unreasonable and unnecessarily combative, so have fun on your own.

[Archaell]

I'm not gonna argue in circles with you here, I feel you're being both unreasonable and unnecessarily combative, so have fun on your own.

You know that you were quite offensive yourself in this thread? ^.^

But I have to agree, it is not contradiction, because without parser nobody has to perform (except tanks and healers >.>), so there is no special treatment required.

On different matter - we can't let the playerbase suffer players that aren't cooperative enough, just to protect the less able few.