The issue nobody wants to address

[dank1]

THIS is literally the problem I have with your mentality.
Putting EFFORT into how they PLAY.
I don't know when you last checked, but originally the point of a game was to have fun.
Of course, you can't be completely lazy and do nothing and I totally encourage people to learn about their class or take a pointer about things they might be doing wrong, but by the point you spend more EFFORT on your GAME than on a dayjob, sit over possibilities and spreadsheets for weeks and test on thousands of monsters if skill 1 or skill 2 deals 0.002 more dmg than the other in the long run, you probably should think about getting your priorities straight. Or at least not expect everyone to want to play that way.
Playing "decently" is entirely enough to make the game pretty much enjoyable to everyone. It doesn't have to be "perfect"

Ok tell me what is fun about pressing 4 keys in a 10 secind sequence (the incorrect sequence mind you) and pressing those 4 keys in the same 10 second time period correctly (doing your correct rotation) what is so different about bothering to do the proper rotation than not? I understand not knowing youre doing it wrong, in which case I'd be more than happy to let you know, or not being able to do so due to some disability that is perfectly fine as we all know. But when you purposely or willfully refuse to do so for the sake of "fun" is what I cannot wrap my head around, my other issue is the people who think doing the proper rotation is only a .002% difference, it's NOT theres a reason why I'll be pulling over 1k on a boss and an equally geared dps is only doing 400 I'm sure their rotation and the difference in dmg is a bit (a lot) more than .002%.

Now again I will state that I can easily get members in my fc to run with and avoid that situation altogether but I don't a lot of times because I hope that even teaching one person (which is what I hope to do with this thread) is more beneficial to the community than running with players who already know what to do.

It's always a great feeling when a new player in DF asks for help with their gameplay or they let you know that was the fastest run they've ever had, it lets them know there's room for improvement and reach a higher skill ceiling rather than just be clueless or accept that they will always be "bad"

And since we wanna go off assumptions and you assume my priorities are wrong and that I do more work here than my day job can I say that you're lazy and your mental capacity is probably lower than mine since you believe using the right skills is akin to making this game the equivalent of your day job.
I'm not trying to sound ignorant here that isn't the purpose of this thread but I hope you and others see how ridiculous equating a game to your day job is.

[Kimimoto]

Fine, let's go with that comparison. I play Basketball on a team. Of course I am supposed to know the rules and to show up for practice once or twice a week. But it's a team that plays "for fun", not one we get paid for to play in, so our level is way below professional teams. Still, there are a few people who take it really serious, come to practice 5 days a week, train even outside of official practice and of course, are heaps and bounds better than others. But the thing is - just because two people are that motivated to put a crazy amount of effort into a hobby, does not mean they can expect it from everyone else too. The standard of the team is not suddenly going to rise to the level of the few elites, so either the elites just enjoy play a more casual game with the others or they leave and join a more competitive team.

It's more like people playing dodgeball with the basketballs when people are trying to practice.

I looked up a guide on how to play my class, it took 10-20 minutes to read though. Then I just practiced what I read while I played, hit the dummy while in queue. The problem is a lot of people can't be bothered. "It's just a game, it's for fun" seems like a shield to deflect any possibility of personal responsibility to improve their play, or they simply just don't know that their are hundreds of online resources to help them out. I can also understand if there's a physical or mental reason you can't improve your play, but I guarantee the majority of the people just don't care or don't know.

[Whiteroom]

It's more like people playing dodgeball with the basketballs when people are trying to practice.The problem is a lot of people can't be bothered. "It's just a game, it's for fun" seems like a shield to deflect any possibility of personal responsibility to improve their play... ... but I guarantee the majority of the people just don't care or don't know.

I'm sure a lot don't even know. Or think that it's not that big of a difference in damage. I mean on PS4, I know I'm good with my WHM, DRG, and DRK, but I feel like my SMN could improve. Now I have to pester an FC mate with a parser to follow me around for awhile, while i figure out whats wrong. But maybe I am doing enough with it. Now, unlike Atoli seems to think, I'm not trying to go pro, and I'm not putting more effort than my day job into it, but I want to at least carry my weight, if not more. There is a big gap between 200 dps and 1400 dps.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I am generally patient with players of a lower skill level who actually try, but its the ones who literally have no idea how their abilities or class works. Like the DRG who doesn't keep up Heavy Thrust/Disembowel/Phlebotomize or combo their Ring of Thorns. The MNK who doesn't hit positional's. The NIN who doesn't use a wink of jutsu or use dancing edge and so forth.

There is a wide difference between trying and not reading your tool-tips, I don't mind if you don't hit everything perfectly, I don't expect that out of everyone, especially in he duty finder, I do expect you to have a basic understanding of your class and skills, especially when in the EX roulette.

As long as you don't use a parser to abuse anyone, parse away, its a helpful tool that is crucial in a raid setting and for statics, its also a good tool to test yourself against other players, as long as you keep that info to yourself, go for it.

[Malevicton]

I dream of a day when this picture doesn't describe the gaming community: http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png

[Whiteroom]

I dream of a day when this picture doesn't describe the gaming community: http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png

I was hoping someone would post that after Atoli started posting about effort equaling more than day job dedication.

[Sapphic]

I am generally patient with players of a lower skill level who actually try, but its the ones who literally have no idea how their abilities or class works. Like the DRG who doesn't keep up Heavy Thrust/Disembowel/Phlebotomize or combo their Ring of Thorns. The MNK who doesn't hit positional's. The NIN who doesn't use a wink of jutsu or use dancing edge and so forth.

Was in an expert DF party (Neverreap) with a 60 BRD with Eso weap doing under 280 DPS :S With wanderers up.

[dank1]

And there goes the "its just a game" excuse...

[Critical-Limit]

And somehow you don't think it's apathetic of you to join a team in basketball where people want to become really good but are being held back by their teamates who don't care? IMO you shouldn't bother joining a team with random people. You should be the one who makes the effort to find like minded people and play in your driveway. Leave the sponsored teams and school teams to serious players who want to get scouted or improve.

[Odett]

Why are we talking about putting effort in this game being equal to being in a sports team, or a job? Being a good athlete or musician requires daily practice. Wanting to improve at both of these things require you to perform various types of exercises on a regular basis in order to slowly improve over a long timespan. Improving your DPS in this game takes absolutely nowhere near that level of dedication. Take 7-10 minutes of your time to read a guide, 5 minutes at the practice dummy to solidify your rotation against a non-moving target, and now that you know how to play your job correctly, you'll naturally get better by applying that in your daily dungeon runs, something you're already doing.