NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Nadirah]

You did for gear, iirc. Savage was 2 weeks after normal or was it 4? 4 weeks at the very least for the normal chest piece. Gonna say yeah. But I distintly remember trying to gear my main job during savage.
And that's considering being at the level cap when it released in the first place.

Buy chest/legs as first two and you'd have them by the time you hit the 5 week full alex normal point.

Like I mentioned in my original post, had they done it, and tuned Savage to match the difficulty of Coil it would have satisfied both groups.



No serious raider would intentionally deprive themselves (and by extension, their group) of the best gear available going into the most difficult content of the game at present. Don't be ridiculous.

Anyone serious enough about preventing burnout won't do anything that'll cause them to abandon said raid team because of burnout.

And you're just reinforcing the "run multiple times until you get your loot" thing was a failure contributing to the burnout.

one kill for loot per week. Run it once for the week and you can't loot it again. Done. There, no more burnout.

Hell, share lockout with Savage for all I care.

[Mutemutt]

Buy chest/legs as first two and you'd have them by the time you hit the 5 week full alex normal point.

So 2~3-ish weeks of running normal plus savage at the same time? Which is what I was saying. And this assuming you went about this perfectly. Because we know how much more troublesome it is to continually run looking for a specific piece (and having to roll against many others for pretty much every piece because everyone was after the same stuff, or having to grab a full party and run it for who knows how long to get everyone a drop), but every time you don't take the shaft costs you an extra week. Altogether, a very tiring, and tedious experience.

Ultimately, what I really want is to have normal alexander to be truly skippable. I don't want to have to run the tuned down version of the fight to prepare for the savage one. I want to be able to do all the normal floors just once, and move on to the version of the fight that actually holds my interest.

[zosia]

So 2~3-ish weeks of running normal plus savage at the same time? Which is what I was saying. And this assuming you went about this perfectly. Because we know how much more troublesome it is to continually run looking for a specific piece (and having to roll against many others for pretty much every piece because everyone was after the same stuff, or having to grab a full party and run it for who knows how long to get everyone a drop), but every time you don't take the shaft costs you an extra week. Altogether, a very tiring, and tedious experience.

Ultimately, what I really want is to have normal alexander to be truly skippable. I don't want to have to run the tuned down version of the fight to prepare for the savage one. I want to be able to do all the normal floors just once, and move on to the version of the fight that actually holds my interest.

I don't even want to do the normal version once.

Just give the same exact quest to complete normal or savage, then we don't have to see a single cut-scene in normal (because we don't have to run it) and we can let the story titillate us as we progress through savage.

[Astral145]

You people are acting like spoiled little brats that are complaining to mommy and daddy that someone is playing with your toys.

Why are you people crying over this? Why so serious over bits on a screen? why do dis? If you don't want to run NM then only run each area once to unlock Savage Mode then wait for SM to come out.

SE is doing there best to give all types of players a chance to enjoy the game the way they like to play.

NM is for low mid core to high mid core groups. SM is for high mid core to hard core players out there.


NM is for folks who want to gear up and enjoy the content that isn't to extreme. They still grind their little tooshes off going for the i190 gear. SM is for folks that like to grind for gear and have there heads slapped around while doing it.

TO each their own.... but seriously I have never seen a company that tries this hard to please every kind of player out there. Be grateful that you 10% of hardcore players out there are getting attention from the devs.... So let it go and play the dang game.

You can't have your cake and eat it to..... life doesn't work that way so be grateful that you get some nice raids to play in.

[zosia]

You people are acting like spoiled little brats that are complaining to mommy and daddy that someone is playing with your toys.Why are you people crying over this? Why so serious over bits on a screen? why do dis? If you don't want to run NM then only run each area once to unlock Savage Mode then wait for SM to come out.

SE is doing there best to give all types of players a chance to enjoy the game the way they like to play.

NM is for low mid core to high mid core groups. SM is for high mid core to hard core players out there.


NM is for folks who want to gear up and enjoy the content that isn't to extreme. They still grind their little tooshes off going for the i190 gear. SM is for folks that like to grind for gear and have there heads slapped around while doing it.

TO each their own.... but seriously I have never seen a company that tries this hard to please every kind of player out there. Be grateful that you 10% of hardcore players out there are getting attention from the devs.... So let it go and play the dang game.

You can't have your cake and eat it to..... life doesn't work that way so be grateful that you get some nice raids to play in.

WoW does it better, there is no reason that SE can't meet that standard. Customers are entitled to speak about products they are paying for.

Also, before someone just says "go play wow" I would love to as soon as they stop putting level boosts in the cash shop.
You're asking us to stop being childish? How about you stop being an apologist? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apologist just in case you don't know. You know how things get better? Feedback.

You're the one coming off bratty. Like a little assuming child making presumptuous statements about content you don't even run and about people you don't even play with. Then, instead of addressing any feedback directly, you just come in to post ad hominem attacks rather than trying to meet any of the post or people half way. YOU, sir/ma'am, are the child.

[Ryel]

You people are acting like spoiled little brats that are complaining to mommy and daddy that someone is playing with your toys.

Why are you people crying over this? Why so serious over bits on a screen? why do dis? If you don't want to run NM then only run each area once to unlock Savage Mode then wait for SM to come out.

SE is doing there best to give all types of players a chance to enjoy the game the way they like to play.

NM is for low mid core to high mid core groups. SM is for high mid core to hard core players out there.


NM is for folks who want to gear up and enjoy the content that isn't to extreme. They still grind their little tooshes off going for the i190 gear. SM is for folks that like to grind for gear and have there heads slapped around while doing it.

TO each their own.... but seriously I have never seen a company that tries this hard to please every kind of player out there. Be grateful that you 10% of hardcore players out there are getting attention from the devs.... So let it go and play the dang game.

You can't have your cake and eat it to..... life doesn't work that way so be grateful that you get some nice raids to play in.

Sorry, but as much as people try to act as such this game doesn't exist in a vacuum.

MMORPGs as a genre have existed for well over a decade and SE as a company has well over 13 years of experience and 3 active titles in the field, One of which has already handled situations like this far better than what we're currently dealing with.

This is also an issue when the competition is doing it better.

Saying "Just be happy with what we have!!!!!" doesn't alert the devs to systems that may need changing, systems that players are already leaving the game over, this by no means signals the end of the game but it's statements like those that eventually lead to games crashing and burning.

Customer feedback means that if they wish to charge a recurring subscription for the game, then players are more than welcome to express opinions about content they aren't enjoying, you personally don't have to listen to or like those opinions but they have every right to be voiced if the developers want this game to thrive.

[DonnieD]

You people are acting like spoiled little brats that are complaining to mommy and daddy that someone is playing with your toys.

Why are you people crying over this? Why so serious over bits on a screen? why do dis? If you don't want to run NM then only run each area once to unlock Savage Mode then wait for SM to come out.

SE is doing there best to give all types of players a chance to enjoy the game the way they like to play.

NM is for low mid core to high mid core groups. SM is for high mid core to hard core players out there.


NM is for folks who want to gear up and enjoy the content that isn't to extreme. They still grind their little tooshes off going for the i190 gear. SM is for folks that like to grind for gear and have there heads slapped around while doing it.

TO each their own.... but seriously I have never seen a company that tries this hard to please every kind of player out there. Be grateful that you 10% of hardcore players out there are getting attention from the devs.... So let it go and play the dang game.

You can't have your cake and eat it to..... life doesn't work that way so be grateful that you get some nice raids to play in.

Thats just utterly stupid nonsense and it sums up perfectly what is wrong with a part of the community.

[Melch]

TO each their own.... but seriously I have never seen a company that tries this hard to please every kind of player out there. Be grateful that you 10% of hardcore players out there are getting attention from the devs....[/U][/B] So let it go and play the dang game.

You can't have your cake and eat it to..... life doesn't work that way so be grateful that you get some nice raids to play in.

You really want SE to lose 10% of subscribers? We're not talking about life but we're talking about a game we're paying for and that can be changed at will.

[KarstenS]

NM is for low mid core to high mid core groups.

ROFL

NM was on farm for that kind of groups on day one.

You've abolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Low midcore and midcore groups get together with the aim, to finish the raid content before the next tier come out. So their progress duration is around 5 to 6 month, not 1 day.

[Sapphic]

Anyone serious enough about preventing burnout won't do anything that'll cause them to abandon said raid team because of burnout.

1: If you are a raider you go for the best gear to help progression. When NM alex was released, there was no Savage or Esoterics gear, we knew Savage was coming next so raiders geared best they could by running the madatory progression path in Normal Savage.
2: No-one was able to predict how Savage was going to be until after it was released. No-one predicted burnout would occur. No raiders have a crystal ball to predict the future.

So, your point?

ROFL

NM was on farm for that kind of groups on day one.

Even better, Savage normal was cleared in DF on day 1.