How do you deal with sluggish tanks?

[Ramath]

I pity myself when I have to DF my way through grinding ESO and I out DPS my DPS while using my WAR.

A slow tank might be mildly annoying but a crew of horrible DPS who are parsing in the 300 DPS range and dragging out my grind is way worse.

But then again... Half second ques are nice

Sadly, my SMN typically has more HP than our tank. Yes, bad DPS makes for a rough run. Bad anything makes for a rough run. But it's very clear that most of the tanks I get stuck with are really DPS who were too impatient for a queue as such.

How do I deal with sluggish tanks? Simple, really: We kick them for being AFK. Want to stay in the party? Act like it.

[Metalwrath]

I play both dps classes and Main a Warrior.The ignorance towards tanks in this thread amazes me.As a tank i always gauge on first few pulls how my party would fare if i make bigger pulls.If i am confident in their ability i will pick up the pace.
There's a lot of speed running i see from Paladins picking up huge groups with a Ninja and monk as the dps.Makes no sense.It's more effecient to make smaller pulls with those dps so they can burst down single targets faster.
As a tank i wait for my full team to get to every pull area and boss.I sorry if you don't respect the rest of the team .If you want you can leave and enjoy your dps Qeue.I will pull at my own pace as i see fit.It's not time trial.I get no bonus eso for completing faster.
As a dps i have patience for the tank.I let them pull and position before nuking to make their job easier.Seriously whats the rush?

[Leonus]

The ignorance towards tanks in this thread amazes me.

I'm always more amazed at the general healer and tank populace and their ignorance towards DDs. Good dps can push the tempo if dungeons, but when a tank still states that "they pull at their own pace" and not the pace the dps/healers allow them to is just plain arrogance and the need to feel in control because they are they tank. Not everyone wants to spend forever in a dungeon. On top of that, a lot of times, people have more fun when the pulls keep coming rather than an 10 min breaks between each pack of mobs, people tend to be less distracted and focus more on the task at hand.

[Aiselia]

"they pull at their own pace" and not the pace the dps/healers allow them to is just plain arrogance.

If a tank isn't comfortable pulling bigger, then it's arrogance to think they should pull bigger just because you don't want to spend the time in there.

If a tank wanting to go at their own pace is arrogance, then a DPS wanting them to go faster because they want their OWN pace is just as arrogant. Except potentially more arrogant, because a tank may be pulling smaller because they're uncomfortable with pulling bigger (be it due to their perception of the group or otherwise), while a DPS wanting the tank to pull bigger is generally based solely out of wanting to rush and not spend more of their own precious time. I don't think any DPS could honestly ever say that they dislike small pulls because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

[Blitzace]

One thing people never understand, With either dungeons or raids, If you want a smooth/fast/perfect run, we have something called PF, Bad people join? kick em replace em.

DF Is usually a mixture of the good the bad and the ugly. Tanks pulling so little my EoS can keep him up all dungeon without me casting a single heal. Healers standing still for 5-10-15 seconds while they could be dpsing.
DPS that could actually make an effort of getting above 300+ DPS.

Thats DF though, i usually tank or heal and yes, it sometimes annoys me seeing my health sitting at 75-100% on big pulls when i use lets say sentinel and instead of helping the DPS healer just sits there clipping his nails.
But in the end i realise, we have casual players who struggle to heal & dps, They panic, not comfortable with it etc.

I always think its unfair to expect people to hold up to your own "skill level" i'll just call it for now. Not everyone is as comfortable on a heal or tank class. People are far more likely to call you out on your mistakes, and you damn well know thats right.
Man if i would call out people for having a low DPS it would be a full time job in DF. But once again, Thats DF. its not perfect its not great at all times. Sometimes, not all the time

[Archaell]

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One thing to keep in mind, even though DDs and healers might allow them to pull at faster pace, it means nothing if the tank is unable to tank at such a pace. Better players can slow down, but less skilled players usually can't speed up.

Btw. if according to you slow tanks/healers are arrogant, what are our average dps players then?

[Leonus]

Most of the time, a tank Survivability is on the healers and dps. What is there to be uncomfortable about (except for possible aggro isdues). It is arrogance on the tank's behalf to have an idea of what your healer and dps are capable if and not accommodate because if "I am tank, I set rules/pace/whatever" mentality. No sane dps/healer requires tanks to pull something completely unmanageable, but this "I am tank, I am king" mentality has to go.

Btw. if according to you slow tanks/healers are arrogant, what are our average dps players then?

Just as arrogant, but more misinformed. Define the numbers for an average dps.

Generally, better players than the tank can make up what that tank lacks, dps can tank their own mobs, or switch accordingly and healers can keep people alive.

I know if I pull off of a tank in a dungeon, I don't complain, I just kill it. Something that's dead does zero damage.

[Aiselia]

this "I am tank, I am king" mentality has to go.

So does this "I am DPS, you must do as I demand at the speed I demand, whether you like it or not" mentality.

How about we replace it with a "We're a team, let's work together to make it smooth and fun" mentality?

[Leonus]

So does this "I am DPS, you must do as I demand at the speed I demand, whether you like it or not" mentality.

How about we replace it with a "We're a team, let's work together to make it smooth and fun" mentality?

I find it far more common for tanks, and to a lesser extent, healers, to talk down to dps more frequently than vise versa due to the perceived importance of their roles. Team play would have to start and be enforced harder by those doing most of the "discriminating", to make progress towards the team mentality, in my opinion.

[Aiselia]

I find it far more common for tanks, and to a lesser extent, healers, to talk down to dps more frequently than vise versa due to the perceived importance of their roles.

I wonder if that's more because Tanks/Healers think themselves above the DPS or if it's because the DPS would rather not wait for a replacement tank/healer (if the tank/healer ditches) or wait in queue again (if they get kicked for being mouthy).

I mean, it would be a pretty safe assumption that the one who can get back into a dungeon in 15 seconds would be more willing to risk being kicked if they call out a DPS for doing stupid things than the person who's going to wait 5-20 minutes. It's not necessarily that they think themselves more important, but because they have less to lose.