How do you deal with sluggish tanks?

[Disc]

It seems like kicking you makes everybody happy then. Sluggish tanks prefer dps that are able to follow numbers and without the raid gear their job gets even easier. Win-win situation.

In pulls of 4+ DPS should be using AoE attacks, which will result in lower enmity generated on every mob per GCD. The large majority of pulls from Vault and onward will force you to take 4 or more enemies at a minimum. If a tank is still numbering at that point they've got much bigger issues than a DPS slapping dragons or puks 5 yalms out. Mediocrity should not be celebrated.

[GavynG]

If you want things to go faster. Pull.

I'll let you tank if you want.

[Kabooa]

A thread for people who haven't tanked wondering what tanks are thinking.

[Anthal]

Hmm, I don't ever remember getting a "speed of completion" bonus if I finish a dungeon in 11.5 minutes. Tomes are tomes.

Dps can pull all they want doesn't bother me a bit. Hope their cd's keep them alive with a single cure1.

[Malevicton]

I love all these "fine i'll let you tank!" comments as though a dps can't tank a small group. If you're pulling small groups as a tank then you're a luxury, the amount of healing it takes is negligible. Tanks are only necessary if they're doing big pulls; you lose a lot of your leverage to take groups hostage if you're doing small pulls.

Doesn't condone people being rude, but at the same time, you shouldn't respond rudely. If the point of contention is small pulls anyways, then you don't really have any cards to play unless the healer backs you up.

[FridgePanic]

A thread for people who haven't tanked wondering what tanks are thinking.

I have 2 tanks at 60 and I'm wondering what other tanks are thinking, pausing before each boss like they're contemplating the meaning of life or something.

[Erim-Nelhah]

while i may not like shadewalker... sluggish tanks is where it shines

Pull that on me and you're liable to end up with a dead tank. I tend to do a test pull at the start of a dungeon. After that, if I'm doing smaller pulls there's probably a reason.

--Erim Nelhah

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

How to deal with small pulls? Single target rotation, kill everything as fast as possible so we can move on to the next pack. Just because the tank is pulling small doesn't mean I get to slack off on my own job of killing mobs as fast as I can.

[kazeandi]

I don't tank, but I'm healer and DPS and whatever role I assume, I try to do teamwork.
The one to pull is the tank. If you're not the tank and you pull, I will backpedal and stay out of aggro range - as both healer or DPS.

I don't understand those ADHD-DDs who ask for "faster, bigger", when their pitiful AOEs will by no means lead to faster completion rates, only stress.
In a party with, say, 2 summoners, I can totally see chainpulls of large groups, because summoners don't lack mana and their AOEs actually do damage and don't just look nice.

With a scholar healer, MP aren't the issue, but I'd watch out for the astro in my party - I thought that's just common sense.

When people speak of large amounts of time, I hope they double check their watch, because what they perceive as long and the time that actually passed can be totally different things. 10 second can feel like an eternity when your procs run out, but what gives? Procs will happen again. Wipes will make your procs disappear, too, plus cause your party to stand around even longer after the run back to the scene, because buffs etc have to be redone.

So, yeah, if you're not the tank - solo it. If you kick me, fine, I'll just re-queue. It's not like you'd hurt my feelings or something ^^

[RayneBoemir]

I am completely the opposite, as soon as I step into the boss room I am pulling unless a cutscene plays, and the group requires a few seconds to step into the boss room.

My biggest annoyance is doing 24 player instances and the tanks taking forever to pull. We are talking about up to a minute. I might just stick to my tank this time around in those even though the queues are more awful.