NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Wildsprite]

You're not fond of it, don't do it, and yet you have an opinion on it. You sir/ma'am are precious.

I gave you five sentences, get over yourself. The rest of those responses were to other people. Also, LOL at calling the crystal tower series a raid. That's like going into LFR in wow and calling yourself a raider XD

I didn't call myself a raider, but the CT series are classified as raids or have you forgotten how to actually read within the game? and you are precious to think that the BCoB series are raids and CT are not when that is exactly what the devs call both. you need to get over yourself.

Coil wasn't reserverd for anyone so I don't know where you got that from. all it took was a little effort to find or create a static and approach it. The only person stopping themselves from raiding is the one they see in the mirror. No, you don't need to dedicate hours and hours a week (unless you going for world firsts). 2 to 3 hours a week is all to see progression, unless you are that impatient and want it all now now now.

coil was originally geared toward the hardcore crowd so in essence while it wasn't technically reserved for anyone it was.

[Ryel]

Because Coil was reserved for a select group of people. Said people got content all to themselves and are not happy to see that others get to see similar content now. That's still very much e-peen.

No offense but this statement is well... kinda ridiculous.

You're saying coil was "reserved" for a select group of players?

I don't recall any bouncers standing at the entrances in Wineport / Fallgourd / Ceruleum when coil was relevant content, in fact it was quite the opposite as it was open for any full party to enter. The developers later went above and beyond that after adding it to the duty finder by not only adding the echo buff giving players a flat bonus to stats in increasing increments, but also adjusted the difficulty of many mechanics that players were having difficulty with, and literally tossed you gear at level or in some cases many ilvls higher than what was needed to actually complete the content.

Honestly the biggest issues they had with coil that were justifiable complaints were the lockouts and 8 man nature of the content preventing many players from rerunning or playing with the people they wanted to. However can we please not act like they didn't take steps over time to make it as accessible as they could to the majority of the player-base? The reality is simply that many players who were perfectly capable of clearing the content either didn't try (and by try i mean didn't enter at all) or just weren't interested to begin with, I mean there are a large number of players i personally know who were more than capable of doing it at the time but simply were discouraged by the way it was presented, not necessarily the difficulty. In fact I'm willing to bet a large number of the players who actively complain about coil's difficulty and praise Alexander (Normal) for what it is have never even stepped foot in Turn 1 to even try it before the unsynched option was added to the Duty Finder, which is kinda disappointing.

So who exactly was it "reserved" for?

What many players are rightly complaining about is that the way that Alexander (Normal) and by extension Savage were designed and implemented do very little to encourage players to actually take part in the content, and this is coming from someone currently running Savage. This is especially true considering they're billing Savage as the highest tier of content until 3.2 which could very well be at least another 5-6 months from now.

That being said i don't believe that Alexander (Normal) was a mistake, In fact i feel it's addition is a positive step forward for the game

However i do support the idea that there should have been 3 tiers of raid difficulty, they needed a baseline Alexander that was on par with Coil releases in the past added first and then an easier (story) mode equivalent to what normal is now added later with a Savage mode rounding out the highest tier/rewards. Additionally raid design in this game is lacking some serious depth, I'm not sure how long the developers expect the playerbase to be content with 4 major (see: interesting) bosses with single hallway raid designs released every 6 - 8 months at this point, it's getting to the point where things are quickly starting to stagnate.

On a side note:

We generally accept that obtaining gear is an acceptable carrot at the end of the stick for completing content, but is there a reason that we feel a good story isn't?

This game has the main story scenario which is, for all intents and purposes designed to be cleared by 100% of the playerbase so why is side story content that has no effect/relevance on the main story expected to be cleared by 100% of the player base as well? No single player is denied the opportunity to enter "difficult" content, if anything the game provides you with the same resources and opportunity as any other player to attempt content so is there a reason that story is considered an unacceptable carrot other than "I want it!"?

Honestly it seems many of the accusations of exclusivity and elitism concerning this issue seem to be misplaced, i don't recall anyone saying that players should be kept out of content itself, only that not all content should be designed with the same difficulty and the same rewards, some players feeling that those rewards may include story and it may require a bit of work to achieve.

[zosia]

I didn't call myself a raider, but the CT series are classified as raids or have you forgotten how to actually read within the game?

I gave my opinion. your long winded response to my post which you seem to feel is out of place is duly noted.
I know being a raider is not nesicarily hardcore however that is what the devs claim BCoB/SCoB/FCoB and AS are marketed toward if you look at their posts.
and btw I do raid just not fond of the 8 man stuff, I quite enjoyed the Crystal Tower series and am looking forward to Void Ark.

If you raid, what are you again? A chicken? No.... A chair perhaps? HMMMMM darn this is so hard to figure our!

On a serious note, what you said implied that you fancy yourself a raider, which you are be SE's definition but not by community definition of a raider.
I can take a stone brick and spray paint it gold, It won't make me a million-air. You can show up to Void Ark and call yourself a raider, but it's not a raid when you can do a 1-2-3 rotation alt tabbed watching youtube.

coil was originally geared toward the hardcore crowd so in essence while it wasn't technically reserved for anyone it was.

Since you love to emphasize details about crystal tower being a "raid" you should know that anyone who hit level 50 and got darklight gear was eligible to do coil. It was reserved for no one. Gotta love that selective reasoning mind of yours.

[BubblyBoar]

Hello, I'm a casual. I have absolutely no interest in doing top raid tier content or anything like that. I do not derive satisfaction from challenge in this kind of game. It's just not for me and I do not want to do it. Even at level 60, I still have not done much of coil despite the fact that I want to see the story there. I'll get around to it eventually, but not now.

I enjoy things like triple triad and chocobo racing and I love PvP. But most of all, I enjoy seeing the story in this game. It is one of the main things I play this game (and most any game) for. That said, I am extremely happy that SE decided to put in a story mode for people like me. So that I could see and enjoy the story they created for all the players to see.

As such, I believe it is a bit selfish to ask for that story to be removed or delayed and be locked behind content that a small portion of the community does. I don't mind raiders at all. I'm happy for their victories and support their efforts to challenges themselves. It's good that they get their own gear, titles, mounts, and minions to enjoy and have as a trophy for their hard work. I, however, no not believe that story should be one of these things. And fortunately, SE agrees with this notion.

That said, I am not against (and I don't think anyone is) adding more incentive to top raid content for raiders to strive for. As long as that isn't story, they can have whatever they want. As long as it doesn't leave story mode a barren wasteland (like CT now), I am content. So as long as your solutions does not cause these things, I will fully support you. We all pay the same sub after all.

[xXRaineXx]

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I think you missed my point... I don't see this thread as feedback, rather as a personal demand to get rid of a certain content because they are not satisfied with it. Thus why I said 'cry'.

Constructive feedback is always welcome here. But negative feedback like this one that's based on biased personal opinion is totally different from that. This thread only has 36 likes even with over 200 replies and almost 10000 views.

While I do see where the OP is heading, this is not how you should contemplate such a topic. But my post was also quite vague, sorry if you misunderstood, that was sorta my point...

[Wildsprite]

If you raid, what are you again? A chicken? No.... A chair perhaps? HMMMMM darn this is so hard to figure our!

On a serious note, what you said implied that you fancy yourself a raider, which you are be SE's definition but not by community definition of a raider.
I can take a stone brick and spray paint it gold, It won't make me a million-air. You can show up to Void Ark and call yourself a raider, but it's not a raid when you can do a 1-2-3 rotation alt tabbed watching youtube.

enough of the insults. I posted my opinion. I really don't give a rat's patootie what you define as a raider. the BCoB series is nothing but an overglorified memory game on all levels. by the definition of the devs if it is a raid it is listed as one. don't like it? too bad it isn't yours to define. let me ask you this. did you raid Limbus? Dynamis(before nerf), Sea? or Sky? in FFXI?
these memory games they keep defining as endgame grate my nerves.

Since you love to emphasize details about crystal tower being a "raid" you should know that anyone who hit level 50 and got darklight gear was eligible to do coil. It was reserved for no one. Gotta love that selective reasoning mind of yours.

if this is how you treat people in RL I can't see you as keeping any friends for very long. I'm done responding to you, have fun with your droll memory games you define as raids. if you define coil as raid content but not the CT series perhaps you should take a look at this.

A raid is a type of mission in a video game in which a number of people attempt to defeat a boss monster or consecutive series of bosses. The term raid itself stems from the military definition of a sudden attack and/or seizure of some objective.[1] This type of objective is most common in MMORPGs, and usually but not necessarily occurs within an Instance dungeon.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_%28gaming%29

[zosia]

I think you missed my point... I don't see this thread as feedback, rather as a personal demand to get rid of a certain content because they are not satisfied with it. Thus why I said 'cry'.Constructive feedback is always welcome here. But negative feedback like this one that's based on biased personal opinion is totally different from that. This thread only has 36 likes even with over 200 replies and almost 10000 views.

While I do see where the OP is heading, this is not how you should contemplate such a topic. But my post was also quite vague, sorry if you misunderstood, that was sorta my point...

You replied to the OP but you did not take the time to read through the myriad of post providing feedback. Your first response was just a shallow retort against a stereotype, perhaps even a strawman. Be a part of the solution here, not part of the problem.

SE dealt a huge blow to raiders this tier. They are quitting right and left, I only need to look at my LS and FL to see broken statics and disparaged midcore raiders who don't log in anymore. Raiders, from casual raiders to the hardcore bleeding edge, still comprise about 15% of the player base and many of those people are extremely unhappy right now. Unless you want to see this game's growth stagnate, we should all be looking for solutions to keep both raiders and non-raiders happy.

[hagare]

On a serious note, what you said implied that you fancy yourself a raider, which you are be SE's definition but not by community definition of a raider.
I can take a stone brick and spray paint it gold, It won't make me a million-air. You can show up to Void Ark and call yourself a raider, but it's not a raid when you can do a 1-2-3 rotation alt tabbed watching youtube.

so by your logic is she a raider or not?

Since you love to emphasize details about crystal tower being a "raid" you should know that anyone who hit level 50 and got darklight gear was eligible to do coil. It was reserved for no one. Gotta love that selective reasoning mind of yours.

because if meeting the prerequisite to enter a raid is all you need then she is a raider.
unless of course you admit that coil is reserved for "real" raiders on account of being able to enter it does not mean being able to clear it.
which would make her right o.O

[zosia]

enough of the insults. I posted my opinion. I really don't give a rat's patootie what you define as a raider. the BCoB series is nothing but an overglorified memory game on all levels. by the definition of the devs if it is a raid it is listed as one. don't like it? too bad it isn't yours to define. let me ask you this. did you raid Limbus? Dynamis(before nerf), Sea? or Sky? in FFXI?
these memory games they keep defining as endgame grate my nerves.

if this is how you treat people in RL I can't see you as keeping any friends for very long. I'm done responding to you have fun with your droll memory games you define as raids.

I am sorry if you see being blunt as insulting. It's how the real world works, sweetie. No one has time to care that your feelings were hurt by words.

I am not a software developer; consequently, I am not going to have an opinion to offer any company in the business in making software. You don't do 8-man raiding in this game, yet you have an opinion on it. That's horse pucky my dear. People with uneducated opinion are such a huge problem irl, flip on the news and see what it begot us. So, please, forgive me if I am blunt about how your opinion carry's no weight on the matter of 8-man savage, you don't do it so please don't offer feedback about it.

Yes, this is how I treat people in real life. I am blunt, honest, and speak my mind on topics I am informed on. I have plenty of friends, a great husband, and an amazing family. Please continue to make assertions on nothing you know about, like my personal life, lololololol.

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[zosia]

so by your logic is she a raider or not?



because if meeting the prerequisite to enter a raid is all you need then she is a raider.
unless of course you admit that coil is reserved for "real" raiders on account of being able to enter it does not mean being able to clear it.
which would make her right o.O

Anyone who tries to kill a raid boss, successful or not, I would call a raider.

A raid boss would be a boss that requires a higher level of dedication and coordination than a duty finder boss. Does that satisfy your pedantic argument?

Also, just in case you bring up this point, yes, I consider coil in duty finder with echo a raid because the nerfs to t9 and t13 were not that bad. Those two fights remained mostly in-tact and still gated players. It forced them to step up their game if they were clearing the content the 1st time around. The crystal tower series never forced you to up your game. You just had to show up, not go completely afk, and you get loot.

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Since I hit my daily limit, our time here will have to come to an end, sadly =(

yea that's bull.

let me use what you said,
I can take a stone brick and spray paint it gold, It won't make me a million-air.

and if I really wanna get pedantic, those who do the CT series and the soon to come void ark are called raiders because they are called a raid by the developer.
Whose words actually mean something on such matters.

PS: you are being blunt AND insulting, those two are not mutually exclusive

Yes, you know what I mean, but you continue to be pedantic. SE can call it raiding, but does the community? Does the MMO community look at stuff like LFR in wow and crystal tower in this game an call it a raid. Nope. Everyone knows the mechanics, the bosses, and the dificulty of the CT series/LFR has always been a joke.

Go make a thread on reddit and talk about how CT is raiding and lets see what the court of public opinion has to say on it?

you are mixing up the definition of blunt with snooty know it all. you aren't being blunt you are being an !@#$hole. learn the difference.

if you define coil as raid content but not the CT series perhaps you should take a look at this.

Guess you were not done after all =p teehee! One last go before I head out for the day, shall we?

I am sorry if being blunt makes me seem like an a-hole, but you have no place of authority to speak from and your points on the matter are ill-informed. Yes I am being mean to you because you deserve it for thinking you should have a say in something you don't participate in. Go to another thread where you can talk about stuff you are informed on, leave the discussion of raiding to people who actually care about it enough to try it. Also, GG resorting wikipedia for your argument XD

I challenge you to do what I said to hagare, go post in the ffxiv subreddit and ask the community if CT was a raid or just a loot pinata.

Both of you have a wonderful day! <3