Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Rhomagus]

Rhomagus is eating threads again! XD

Now I see what Grammul was referring to. I'll start putting all of my quick responses into one post.

[AmyRae]

Now I've only asked for sources once in this thread and I was wrong for doing so, but you're making a giant appeal to authority here if you don't back up this statement with a source.

It's not so much they feel better by being ahead of those around them. What the most recent of studies I'm aware of show is that people don't want those directly beneath them to get ahead of where they are. In fact, a person would rather see someone far behind them get a little further ahead than the have the people directly beneath them catch a break.

So if you reached rank 50 today and they announce that going from rank 1 to 20 just got easier, you don't really care. But if the announcement was that going from rank 40 to 50 just got easier, well, a picture says a thousand words:
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/k...ar_/fuuuu-.jpg

Oh, and I even have a source for these crazy ideas I'm spouting:
https://www.economist.com/node/21525851?frsc=dg

[Rhomagus]

It's not so much they feel better by being ahead of those around them. What the most recent of studies I'm aware of show is that people don't want those directly beneath them to get ahead of where they are. In fact, a person would rather see someone far behind them get a little further ahead than the have the people directly beneath them catch a break.

So if you reached rank 50 today and they announce that going from rank 1 to 20 just got easier, you don't really care. But if the announcement was that going from rank 40 to 50 just got easier, well, a picture says a thousand words:
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/k...ar_/fuuuu-.jpg

Oh, and I even have a source for these crazy ideas I'm spouting:
https://www.economist.com/node/21525851?frsc=dg

I know I said I wasn't going to do this but the Economist link doesn't work for me. It says it has too many redirects. I tried clearing my cookies but it didn't work.

It works now.

[Konachibi]

Another easy win:

Linkables

Admit it, when you first installed and this tune kicked in, you were ALL thinking "OMG this is going to be best adventure ever!"

That makes the soundtrack immersive, and there's nothing you can do to 'spoil' that immersiveness except turn off the music, nyah :P

[Bled]

There would be many more worthwhile things I could do with the muscle and lean physique if I did not have to waste time acquiring it.

Psychologically speaking sometimes the quests becomes greater then the goal (yet the goal remains important). If your life had an auto skip button you wouldn't have much of a life at all. These excuses for not wanting to spend time to gain focused goals boils down to nothing but this tactful word laziness. Your id personality is that of i want everything now because the goal is fun (instant gratification) not the quest (work), and that's not healthy. If you really want a game like that I'm fairly certain GW has a feature like that, however implementing what you advocate fully into a game would spell disaster.

I do not argue that you would have less fun with your explained mechanics (its your personal preference) what i argue is that your explained mechanics are detrimental to the game as a whole.

The Principle of progression is important because you want people to progress academically, socially and developmentally. Think of progression as growth, whether it be social, academic, physical, what have you. It also indicates adaptation to new situations, material, responsibilities and tasks, which are all important in developing a massive gaming community. Without progression we have idle minds that become stagnant which indicates lack of growth or regression. Of course im speaking of regression as a reversion to an earlier or less mature pattern of feeling, behavior, logic, and even overall psyche.

[Konachibi]

Lilly Livered Linkables

[Jobeto-Rin]

My response to Jobeto-Rin is in blue.



I was surprised by the rhetoric in your response, especially when I was so light-hearted in my initial response. I'm no boy scout or defender of the weak. I've matched the rhetoric accordingly.

Okay first off, I'm not sure where I'm coming off as being offensive, so I apologize.

Those aren't my intentions. In the midst of all this, I enjoy debating with you Rhomagus.

So, If i've cited anything that elicited something as such, my bad.

Now back to the thread.

I posted the statement about immersion being subjective regardless because i got the idea that some people were trying to say they weren't being immersed at all. So I had to make sure that we were all on the same page of what immersion was. I know that we are now.

I stated that the people who enjoy certain aspects of the game are being shortchanged when changes are being made to accommodate for a casuals time. How exactly am I incorrect? I made a analogy earlier.

There is a basketball game going on. Certain people don't have time to watch all 4 quarters, David Stern wants them to experience everything so he decides to accommodate for them by making it only 2 quarters, now it fits their schedule, their lifestyle. Now being an avid basketball fan, I now have 2 less quarters to watch thus my immersion is being cut in half. I experience half of what I could, I'mma feel cheated! Please, don't get too technical man, it's just an analogy.

Traveling affects the immersion of being in a massive open game world. No other type of immersion (that I can think of right now) is immediately affected. The sleep metaphor is irrelevant because it's not related to the size of the world. Regardless of if I watch him sleep or not doesn't affect the feeling of how vast the world is. Thats why you can't use my argument on it. I still don't see why your being redundant in using it against my points. Once again, the only type of immersion I'm talking about is the sense of scale in this world and what is affected by it, thus transportation topics.

Off topic but...why do you provide unnecessary responses? Some of them are a given.
Like your response to when I said "We are being immersed into FFXIV, regardless"...
It was as if I'm not aware? Obviously, if I stated above that you are immersed only when your playing the game, I am. It seemed more of like a belittlement to my points/phrases instead of you trying to make an actual point to disparage mine. You do that throughout my paragraphs. Maybe I did that in yours?

...going on...after that you got into how the traveling/distance/massiveness points I made aren't applicable because of how IT's are built into the lore. Can someone please link me to this lore? I can't respond without reading this first.

Till then.

[Jobeto-Rin]

I've just read some of the last posts you've made Rhomagus.

If you can't reply without trying to be insulting then you need to give up the conversation bro.

Your loosing your cool.

[Eekiki]

I've just read some of the last posts you've made Rhomagus.

If you can't reply without trying to be insulting then you need to give up the conversation bro.

Your loosing your cool.

I'm not seeing where he's being insulting.

I must be interpreting things differently.

[Jynx]

Because the Airship is free?

Why not ask the devs to make anima free then? and leave the airship to those of us who want a normal way to traverse the world, you obviously don't care how you get from Point A or B.