Anyone feel nostalgic for larger scale raid?

[Malzian]

Whenever I think of a raid, I always think back to Tower of Orthanc in LotRO... Strong difficulty progression centered on skill, weekly raid progression lock which makes you challenge the whole thing from the start each week but has specifically zoned sections you can tackle one night at a time and each section can take an hour or two with difficult trash and harder bosses. The "raids" we have currently feel more like small skirmishes to me and lack the grand scale that the term "raid" invokes in my mind.

[Dererk]

That's the problem Malzian we have reached the point where the majority of gamers do not want hard game content but stuff they can compleat in about 4 hrs. Aren't videogames supposed to be a hobby. Isnt a hobby supposed to be challenging.

[Moonleg]

No, a hobby is supposed to provide you with entertainment, not frustration. Work provides frustration enough.

[Colorful]

I honestly don't care for the amount of people in a raid all too much, but 8 is a weird number, should be raised to a nice 10 at least. What does upset me is knowing that we'll never have something as amazing as Ulduar, we'll never have something like ICC, we'll never have Siege of Orgrimmar or the Throne of Thunder because of the way raids are structured. I prefer raids feeling like raids, not the short little trials we have now.

Even when we get "big" 24 man raids, they're always so structured like we're entering the same place but with a different model. Why aren't they like dungeons where you're fighting adds while journeying through the raid and not in a circle room? The closest thing we have to a real raid is Castrum and Praetorium, and that kinda stucks. For example, with ST in the crystal like place with the huge staircase leading up to the final boss, they could have quite easily made that staircase not as huge and thrown some adds on there instead of the usual circle platform. We fight them while ascending the staircase so it's not just a circle room into a loading screen into another circle room as I said earlier. =l

[BloodPact]

That's the problem Malzian we have reached the point where the majority of gamers do not want hard game content but stuff they can compleat in about 4 hrs. Aren't videogames supposed to be a hobby. Isnt a hobby supposed to be challenging.

The problem is that with that many people the challenge turns away from beating the content to managing and keeping together that amount of people. In FFXI, which is the only game I can compare to ARR, it was manageable for things like Dynamis because content over there was absurdly easy compared to the endgame we have here. It was somewhat good as it allowed you to be more social and in runs you'd see a lot of activity in LS chat and people generally having a better time than the wipefest that becomes endgame progression in this game. It was more social and community engaging, sure, but those large raids were in no way more challenging than most trials or the current endgame raid in this game.

[Mycow8me]

Larger raids would be awesome, the funnest bosses are always in the larger raids, they all have the interesting mechanics. Be nice to see some unscripted ones. My favorite boss in game right now is probably angra mainyu. Only problem is that they become trivially easy due to this games ilvl gear that can overpower you or underpower you instead of just enhance you or allow you to perform better. Thats another topic though.

[TheUltimate3]

Large scale raids sounds awesome until you actually have to do them.

When done properly it can be really awesome. But you also run into the issue where only a core set of people were actually needed to preform, the rest were just warm bodies that could click a button.

Another issue (which is more an issue with design) is that if you for whatever reason don't have the numbers to actually do the content, you simply aren't going to get it done. Back in the glorious TBC days, my guild could never get out of Karazhan because to do so we needed to gear 25 people, and whenever we geared more than our core 5-6 people, they would instantly jump ship to an established raid guild leaving us to gear another new guy. I'm sure other people enjoyed feeding members to better guilds, but I found the trial exhausting.

That said, if they did have larger scale raids in this game, I would not be adverse to it, so long as it isn't locking me out of crap to do. And no, they can't add it into a Duty Finder type situation because if you throw 40+ random people into anything that requires actual coordination, you are in for a bad time.

[KaedrianLiang]

The problem with large scale raids is that only a handful of guilds per server have the resources and number of competent players to participate in such activities. This leads to 1-4 guilds monopolizing cream of the crop players while leaving out everyone else, this always happened in the time i played WoW, L2, and ffxi.

In this age of the MMORPG genre EVERYONE wants to raid, small group raid design allows more players to get in on the action.

[Magis]

I've been a big fan of MMPoG for long time ever since Everquest comes out. WoW is the only game that I do not have experience with end game. I was too addicted to FF11 and SWTOR by then. But for every game I played, I never had MMPoG has restriction on larger scale raid.

I am getting slightly bored with FF14. I was expecting larger scale raid (not just 8 but more like 24+ man raid. Well I know there is 24 man one but we can't do it as FC and I am getting sick of troll and all the newbie wasting my time. I just don't feel like I achieve anything as a team but feel lucky I cleared with bunch of random people.

Anyone missing the old style raid with just FC members?

Aren't they bringing this back with Airships? My bar is set pretty low right now to avoid another disappointment but we could be getting Sky-esque raids in 3.1. You will get 4, 8, and 24 man NMs from what I heard.

No, a hobby is supposed to provide you with entertainment, not frustration. Work provides frustration enough.

That's ridiculous. Any difficult video game can be frustrating while also being entertaining. Beating the challenge is what gives the entertainment. If that was the case the NES would have been the biggest failure and no one would buy games like Ninja Gaiden, Dark Souls, or have a "Hard" difficulty.

[Fated]

Large scale raids aren't really fun to me. Scheduling them is difficult and coordinating is a chore. This is coming from someone who has raided in most of the big MMORPGs that had them. FFXIV's casual 24 man raid is even more pointless and I question why it even exists. Especially once the content becomes old and you can't even run it for glamour because there aren't enough people registering for it.