Were we in the right to kick?

[AriaEnia]

What are you talking about, people now entitled to kick people whose dps don't meet their expectation, especially parser people, without remorse at all, even though there isn't option "low dps" in the vote kick. Your case is worse, yeah the MCH was the troublemaker, you were right to kick the MCH.

[Souljacker]

What are you talking about, people now entitled to kick people whose dps don't meet their expectation, especially parser people, without remorse at all, even though there isn't option "low dps" in the vote kick. Your case is worse, yeah the MCH was the troublemaker, you were right to kick the MCH.

Sigh. Put the shoe on the other foot. I was in a dungeon in what we will call some other game, and there was another DPS there who was doing 1/3 the damage I was.

One Third.

Mind, I was by no means in the upper crust of DPS either, so this was particularly bad, as in not even TRYING to do a correct rotation. The sad part was, the player was geared in token gear with many upgrades, and some higher token gear pieces. This player also executed every mechanic properly, so he/she was neither new to the encounter nor new to the class.

So I didn't say anything but that dungeon still went wayyyy slower than it needed to. That's someone being carried and trolling other players who are doing their best to play their classes. Why shouldn't that kind of player be removed from a group? Why should that player get to be carried by the OTHER players in the group? In this game I wouldn't even be able to TELL that person they were underperforming because then it's harassment and I would be banned for even having a tool that let me know that person was so deeply underperforming. (As an aside, I wouldn't have been a jerk about it, either.)


Folks exaggerate how often people are kicked for low dps. A couple hundred dps here and there - unless you are on bleeding edge progression (in which case you agreed to let your raid leader do whatever they want to anyway) - you aren't getting kicked.

One third the damage of another, average DPS? Come on. That's why we need parsers. THAT player.

[Alistaire]

One third the damage of another, average DPS? Come on. That's why we need parsers. THAT player.

So much this.

Although, with the advent of Wanderer's Minuet, I've noticed more and more bad dps based on their cast bars. It'd be nice if they could implement a way to show someone's moves that way, via a cast bar, even for immediate moves. Without Wanderer's I'd have never noticed 1 particular bard in a A3 normal run who repeatedly did Venomous Bite 3x in a row in phases with just the 1 target. He ended up kicked of course, but it'd be nice if we could tell who "THAT" player is without a parser and without relying on them being a job with cast bars. Just a thought.

[Yaichiro]

The DRG was right about the knock back. It's unnecessary and makes the things more difficult which hinders the whole group. knocking back is a defensive skill which should be used only at certain situations.

The MCH was not playing according to his job but he was just mindlessly using all skills available to him. For instance, a healer can over heal and take aggro who will say I am playing my job!

If he pulled the whole room you should have let him die like a poor fly and waited for everything to reset by not attacking any of the monsters.

[Shirobi]

Unskilled play should never, ever be a legitimate reason for removal from a public group. Its better that the group just disband.

[Cynfael]

Unskilled play should never, ever be a legitimate reason for removal from a public group. Its better that the group just disband.

Can't be serious. If anyone can successfully argue that one player's choice to antagonize and hinder the group should be upheld at the expense of everyone else's enjoyment, I'd love to hear this miraculous argument.

The replies in this thread that seem to support the MCH's "right" to be a gigantic pain in the ass concern me. If a player is disruptive, is challenged on their disruptive behavior, and refuses to correct it, it's difficult to fault the group for not wanting that player to stay. Seems quite simple.

[Februs]

Unskilled play should never, ever be a legitimate reason for removal from a public group. Its better that the group just disband.

Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. For one, It's easy to say that it's better for the group to disband when you're a tank and your ques are instant. The Drg probably waited 15 minutes to an hour for that que. Just based on que times alone, no. It is not better to disband when 3 out of 4 players are fine and one is harassing the group.

Two, if it were better to just disband the group instead of boot the player, progression parties would be utterly screwed when raiding. It might not be a big deal in regular dungeons or old content, but could you imagine if everyone just disbanded 8 man raids because 1 player wasn't doing their job right? No one would ever clear anything.