A Part, and yet Apart

[Kaiser-Ace]

Totally on the theoretical here, but I'd be curious as to if our WoL's Echo, in the future, would be strong enough to shield or encapsulate another person's mind-soul space in order to protect them when fighting a Primal.

Alternatively, with an Echo user inside someone's mind-soul space, would the person they're inside (not necessarily in a possession way, but like how the WoL enters Thancred's to force Laha out in Prae) be immune to tempering as well?

It seems to me like a skilled Echo user could be very, very, very powerful indeed. We need to get on studying.

We need to beat the answers out if Elidibus if we want any because he's the only one who knows the Echo's true limits and isn't intending to share willingly.

[Frederick22]

I think that the Echo is somehow similar as how is the force on starwars, there is a lightside and darkside. I think here is pretty much the same. I dont think the Ascians know how to master the echo more than orthers, or even if they do they arent using it on a way is being supposed to be used

[CyrilLucifer]

I think that the Echo is somehow similar as how is the force on starwars, there is a lightside and darkside. I think here is pretty much the same. I dont think the Ascians know how to master the echo more than orthers, or even if they do they arent using it on a way is being supposed to be used

I'm not sure if I agree with that. To me the Echo seems entirely neutral; there isn't a way it's "supposed" to be used, because people manifest its skills differently. Even our character goes into people's heads and their memories without others knowing. Do you really think you were intended to see, for example, some of Cid's most precious memories? That's definitely portrayed as not being okay, but a necessity or an accident.

(I'm actually more curious why your first Echo-vision in ARR with Hydaelyn has Lahabrea interfering, as how would Lahabrea have known about you at that point? And why would Lahabrea care about some random Echo user when there are quite a few out there?).

[Frederick22]

Isnip

Well, actually the force is neutral. Is up to you which way you wanna choose. My apologies if I didnt explain well
But here is much the same, a neutral power with 2 points of view, the light representing the good and the dark, representing the evil.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

We need to beat the answers out if Elidibus if we want any because he's the only one who knows the Echo's true limits and isn't intending to share willingly.

And he won't spill anything unless we either see things his way or stop getting in his way long enough to hear what he wants to do. As far as I see it, he and Ascians in general are like Black Doom from Shadow the Hedgehog; claiming to be helping, even though their actions are clearly beneficial to them only.

[Kaiser-Ace]

And he won't spill anything unless we either see things his way or stop getting in his way long enough to hear what he wants to do. As far as I see it, he and Ascians in general are like Black Doom from Shadow the Hedgehog; claiming to be helping, even though their actions are clearly beneficial to them only.

Proof being that he effectively hit the F-All button when he summoned the Warrior of Darkness.

The Truth is that Elidibus never had any intention of doing more than using us. All he wants is to kill Hydaelyn and revive Zodiark. And he's willing to manipulate and sacrifice anyone, including his flow Ascians, to accomplish that.

[CyrilLucifer]

I'm of the belief that we don't know the whole story of Zodiark/Hydaelyn yet. While Elidibus is certainly ruthlessly determined, especially if it is confirmed that he was the one who gave Urianger the second auracite, but I feel as if SE won't go pure "dark is evil, light is wonderful and perfect and best and the only way."

I think it's too early to be saying that Hydaelyn is pure good and everything Elidibus does is for the sake of pure evil.

[JeniLinsky]

Oh hey, actually a good discussion going here!

I agree! I'm sorry to be slow getting back to this; I've had a really rough few days at work, and barely had time to sleep.

I can see how Alphinaud can be grating to people.

He really is. I followed your line of reasoning about his character arc, and it's not that I disagree with you per se... everything you wrote was true, and accurate, and yet. When we first meet him, he's too busy sleeping to participate in the conversation; he does nothing to help protect the merchant's carriage against the beastie attack. (I don't remember if they're on the ship in the Limsa intro, but I figure they must be, since they're in the other two). He doesn't seem to even remember that meeting, which implies that he slept right through the beast attack!

When we meet him and he's awake, he's snarky about his elders. Even at the end of the 2.* storyline, he clearly reveals his disdain for the player when he tells someone, "well, if they make trouble, I'll just have my warrior of light punch them in the face!" (emphasis mine, quote not exact, but gives the idea of what he says).

Now, I'm still running my alt through the content, so I'll have to wait and see what the second viewing brings me by way of understanding of his character in 3.*, but my first run through, with Melly, suggests that he's still an arrogant prick; that he learned neither humility nor humanity by being betrayed by Illbred.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Yea, learning humility and being humiliated are not often the same thing.

Thus why I loved how my DRG Bro Eistenian kept busting his ego bubble before it could inflate.

I have got to get him back from Nidhogg. Maybe an Echo Ception like we used on Lahabrea would work.

[myahele]

With inter-dimensional and space travel possible in FF14's world, I can't help but wonder if Hydaelyn somehow crashlanded into Zodiark world and displaced him as the the world's crystal? Somewhat similar to FF9's Terra vs Gaia? Hence, all the Astral/Umbral Eras.

Anyways, it is interesting that the WoL is really the only non-Sharlayan of the group. We do find out that Sharlayans are pretty arrogant. Looking back, I never found Alphinaud to be too annoying. Had things been different, I can could have seen him end up being an antagonist with his Crystal Braves