Additiona freel retainers

[BreathlessTao]

You know, this is a little on the side, but it does come up sooner or later whenever inventory is being discussed: re-instate that damn auto-afk-kick feature and keep it permanent. All the talk about strain on servers this and limits in data resources that - the number of times that insanely frequent inventory backup has been brought up (indeed, that in itself should be nerfed, very much), it's a miracle that nobody thinks of it in regards to this. Every day I see at least a dozen people in every city being afk for 8-12-16 hours, just rooted to the same spot, being idle. It boggles my mind that considering all these hindrances, such waste of network/hardware is being allowed (without a second thought?)... I'm pretty sure it could ease up on that stress quite a bit if these characters were kicked off (with workarounds for fake conversations and crafting, though mostly I don't even see them like that anymore), making it less of a headache to provide a bigger inventory.

[Raist]

As you can see in bold, these are my reaction from all of this Bullcrap.

I am paying for retainers because that's the only way they enforce it. You pay for extra inventory slots, which they swear they have no more room for it. Else it would be unstable. But they still managed to increase the inventory through these paying retainers. See the catch?

They just are greedy as every other business. And as such, I'll consider them not my friends that they want us to have a good time, but for them to make sure Square Enix is in good $$ Shape.

We all know they can do better.

And yes, one Free retainer per Expansion should be a minimum.

Yoshi-P is a PR. He's doing his job. The rest is just shareholders that wants more with the least investment, as with any other companies, big or small. I am not getting fooled.

Expanding our inventory and adding retainers are two different things, and consume resources differently. Expanding our inventory directly increases network and server loads (not just theirs, but across the internet as well) in addition to the increase in used space on the servers. Remember, our inventory is continually updated in the background whether we are interactig with it or not. In contrast, retainers mostly only increase the used space on the servers (though they may have an impact on network/server loads with increased presence on the market boards).

Just saying, there is a bit more to the story under the hood than some may realize.

[KingOfAbyss]

Expanding our inventory and adding retainers are two different things, and consume resources differently. Expanding our inventory directly increases network and server loads (not just theirs, but across the internet as well) in addition to the increase in used space on the servers. Remember, our inventory is continually updated in the background whether we are interactig with it or not. In contrast, retainers mostly only increase the used space on the servers (though they may have an impact on network/server loads with increased presence on the market boards).

Just saying, there is a bit more to the story under the hood than some may realize.

Yup, you are right about putting the retainers on the Market Board for selling our stuff.

If they really had the server stress issues, they wouldn't have moved from their stances and kept 2 retainers only. I see it as a scheme to make more money.

We all want this game to last for years. Yoshi saved it with 2.0, with 3.0, they are becoming more fragile imho. Hopefully he'll open his Ahriman's eyes before the fall. (pun intended)

I am having too high expectations for the coming 4.0. But that means I love this game so much I don't mind paying for 6 months ahead when the patches are pushed back for more than the 3 months predicted. That means that the next one might be on time, but those after, no one is sure and they can have another explanation (all the Devs got the same sickness for 2 weeks) to justify their lateness, for example.

So yeah, I don't mind paying extra money for retainers. Just be.. coherent with your talk, SE.

[dragonkyn20]

Oh hey I remember this from gameFAQs lol

[Kosmos992k]

Lol you can't read between lines, can't you?

I must have been reading to quickly...my apologies.

Look here: "Also the more items that you carry/ the larger your storage becomes, the more strain it creates on the servers and resources, which could potentially lead to longer load times and heavier server loads."

With that statement only, they shouldn't even have offered paying retainers and kept it a 2 Max per character, as this puts more strain on the servers. But hey, they are making money out of it, who cares about instability?

Indeed, you are correct, this is the kind of statement they make that confuses things. Technically if something is held on a retainer your storage is no larger and you are not carrying the item(s) in question. In other words, retainers are not part of what is backed up with your character every 15 seconds, so they are being misleading when they suggest or imply that additional retainer space would cause problems. Since they allow up to 6 paid retainers now, there clearly is not a problem with additional retainers. They should have given an additional retainer for the price of HW and continuing your sub.

[KingOfAbyss]

I must have been reading to quickly...my apologies.



Indeed, you are correct, this is the kind of statement they make that confuses things. Technically if something is held on a retainer your storage is no larger and you are not carrying the item(s) in question. In other words, retainers are not part of what is backed up with your character every 15 seconds, so they are being misleading when they suggest or imply that additional retainer space would cause problems. Since they allow up to 6 paid retainers now, there clearly is not a problem with additional retainers. They should have given an additional retainer for the price of HW and continuing your sub.

Heya Kosmos

I see you a lot on the forums, thanks for your time to participate in it, your voice counts!

It takes 2 to Tango they say, so yeah, I might be guilty as well of not explaining things as precise as it should be *blushes*

And yep, + 6 Paid retainers.. everything is fine on that side of the fence.

so I'm expecting from them, not what a PR could say, but being transparent (I doubt they can sadly, so that's why Yoshi is doing what he should, being paid to be the guy in front of us.)

Just like news where the police can tell the journalists what to and what not to say to us, he might be bound by higher-than-him.. Ascians

[Kosmos992k]

Heya Kosmos

I see you a lot on the forums, thanks for your time to participate in it, your voice counts!
**snip**
Just like news where the police can tell the journalists what to and what not to say to us, he might be bound by higher-than-him.. Ascians

Many thanks.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes those shadowy figures want a specific message, sometimes they want silence, but always there is a price for disobedience. Still, I'd like to think though that Yoshi has gained some political capital from resurrecting FFXIV, and far exceeding the initial expectations of player numbers. He (Yoshi-P) has done something that is either very rare, or without precedent in gaming, he should be able to throw his weight around a bit more.

[Nyalia]

Here's what I want to know. How did that "l" in this thread's title travel all the way to the end of the next word? o_O


But yeah, what we need isn't more inventory space, what we need is more off-character storage. That doesn't eat up expensive network bandwidth, only harddrive space, which is dirt cheap these days. Whenever I've seen SE asked about storage of any kind, the answer has always been that they can't because it'll increase network bandwidth, which is just wrong. If they don't want to give a third free retainer due to marketboard slots or something or having to save that many more characters, and they don't want to do anything that would take more coding, then they could just give each retainer an extra page of inventory space (100 more slots). That'd give about the same amount of inventory as a free retainer with minimal changes on their end.

And, if they don't have the server storage space for more items, they can store them in a compressed format. Let me sacrifice a retainer on an altar crafted from armoires to gain an armoire-like storage container that can hold 5x as much as a retainer, but only equipment. That would take up the same space as a retainer on disk but let me store so much more. They only ever talk about adding uncompressed storage, but who cares about that for glamour items and gear we're saving for classes that we haven't leveled yet? Or stuff that took tons of effort to get that we can't use anymore, but can't bring ourselves to hit the discard button on, like Lucis tools and Zetas?


But seriously, what's up with that "l"?

[AdamFyi]

Since they allow up to 6 paid retainers now, there clearly is not a problem with additional retainers. They should have given an additional retainer for the price of HW and continuing your sub.

Just want to address this because I keep seeing it come up from time to time when it comes to discussing about inventory space; One player gaining extra retainers does not amount to the entire playerbase gaining the same amount. Please actually consider that. Though, I wouldn't mind an additional retainer.

[Kosmos992k]

Just want to address this because I keep seeing it come up from time to time when it comes to discussing about inventory space; One player gaining extra retainers does not amount to the entire playerbase gaining the same amount. Please actually consider that. Though, I wouldn't mind an additional retainer.

I wasn't saying anything about one player getting something equating to the entire playerbase, I was simply making the point that the storage requirement for retainer space is separate from character storage, so the usual bandwidth related excuses are not relevant.

Since HW was pitched more or less as a new game in the FFXIV world/system. I think it's fair to wonder why we did not get an additional retainer along with the new jobs considering we paid the price of a new game. We got two with ARR, the cost of HW was 2/3 the cost of ARR, so we should get at least 1 additional retainer, don't you think?