SE: Please consider allowing for Leveling que in a Party

[Kolaina]

i thought the benefit of leveling roulette was to be thrown in queue for a lot of dungeons with the intention of speeding up the process of cycling people through the duty finder, giving a bonus in accordance to the individuals level. this is to help with the long wait times you get when queueing for specifics. those of you who have said they level with their tank friend or significant other do not need the sped up process which is leveling roulette. you have the near instant queues with the tank in your party

[Eidolon]

i thought the benefit of leveling roulette was to be thrown in queue for a lot of dungeons with the intention of speeding up the process of cycling people through the duty finder, giving a bonus in accordance to the individuals level. this is to help with the long wait times you get when queueing for specifics. those of you who have said they level with their tank friend or significant other do not need the sped up process which is leveling roulette. you have the near instant queues with the tank in your party

Low Level que has two purposes:

1) To give players leveling jobs EXP appropriate to their level : This is the most appearant of the two, as it gives a massive chunk of EXP upon completion. It's a pretty nice way to get some consistent exp towards your levels, and unlike things like Expert roulette, doesn't require all dungousn unlocked to do. It's intended to be done daily by leveling players (all of them)

2) To popualte low level dungouns with more players : This is the less-appearant of the two. This is to help people get que's and to make sure that low level content has people going through it. This is why Low Level is its own que and isn't included with Experts, High Levels, etc...

Think about it this way:

If there are 3 DPS and no tank/heals in the que. Each of them ask their FC/LS for hlep que'ing low level roulette or if anyone wants to come with.

one dps gets a tank
one dps gets a healer

1 DPS + Tank, 1DPS + Healer = full party; 1 DPS remaining

That 1 DPS is now at the front of the line when they'd be behind the other too in the first place. Or likewise, if they were at hte front, now the person at the back doesn't have to wait - creating a balanced wait for everyone.

To say the least; all you're doing by saying you don't want people que'ing party for low level roulette is basically saying you want the longest que time possible.

[Kolaina]

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allowing people to queue for leveling while in a party has great potential for abuse. everyday pickin up some low level around lvl 25, hoping to get ifrit normal for a quick 400k exp. bypassing any chance at some of the longer dungeons like stone vigil or aurum vale.
but as my previous statement goes in reference to those of you who claim to be queueing as a tank with a friend, or with a friend who is a tank supposedly helping populate these 'rare' roles into lower level duties; you have a fast queue using one of these roles and unless you get the rare instance where ifrit or titan pop up, barely gain much more exp from the bonus than if you had just queued for a dungeon specific to your level.

[Solarra]

I'd love to have the option of queuing with a friend or group of friends. I have social anxiety which makes grouping with random people extremely stressful and generally, it's something I avoid. Being able to take even one friend along would make a huge difference.

[Eidolon]

allowing people to queue for leveling while in a party has great potential for abuse. everyday pickin up some low level around lvl 25, hoping to get ifrit normal for a quick 400k exp. bypassing any chance at some of the longer dungeons like stone vigil or aurum vale.
but as my previous statement goes in reference to those of you who claim to be queueing as a tank with a friend, or with a friend who is a tank supposedly helping populate these 'rare' roles into lower level duties; you have a fast queue using one of these roles and unless you get the rare instance where ifrit or titan pop up, barely gain much more exp from the bonus than if you had just queued for a dungeon specific to your level.

So you're saying you want to keep the population of low level tanks/heals as low as possible, because they can spam their max-level content. Your idea doesn't help anyone out, and as a matter of fact, is counter-productive to your own wishes.


Yes, I understand that the EXP from low level roulette is roughly the same as doing an on-level dungoun. But sometimes a change of pace is nice, even if it's Tam Tara 1-2 revolution, it's better than spamming the library 10+ times in a row to gain a level. And if it helps out lower-level players with faster que's and completing their content? why would you be against it?


Your afraid of outliers who would basically abuse it to do things like Ifrit HM like you suggested. But there's already ways to do that (have one person que D for Ifrit, wait for it to start popualting, have your freinds que lowlevel) - it's not like these outliers will suddenly become the norm.

Trying to stagnate a system because of the worst possible scenarios is silly and only a method of self-inflictment. Let people play together, as others have said, in an MMO.

[Kolaina]

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you realize as dps for leveling roulette my average queue time is only about 5 minutes? and what are 'my' wishes exactly as i dont recall making any. also just because someone does not agree with you does not make their reasoning "silly"

[Eidolon]

you realize as dps for leveling roulette my average queue time is only about 5 minutes? and what are 'my' wishes exactly as i dont recall making any. also just because someone does not agree with you does not make their reasoning "silly"

It is silly in my eyes, because it is simply a method of trying to punish everyone possible to ensure no abuse happens. It's like companies that constantly punish the paying costumers because of pirates (Silly), or how about companies trying to insensitize pre-orders before the game is even announced (Looking at you, hunted.)

There are things that fly in the face of logic that make no sense to me.


Now, as for your mention of que times:
I que'd as 50+ DPS and it took about a 5-20 minute wait. This is obviously depending on the day, the hour, etc. etc. So, I guess I can't really contest this very well - it's a point of perspective and if you're fortunate enough that your low level que's are always at 5minutes, that's fantastic for you. But I am going to ask you to think of those who have longer than 5 minute ques.

In my eyes, your wishes are merely to keep the que's the same because you do not see issues in them and they do not affect you at all (For whatever reason, you have short que's, which is fantastic) and you're afraid of abuse. As I said, it's counter-productive to these two (Apparant) wishes that you have because it only A) Limits the number of players entering low level que and B) Anyone who wants to abuse, is already doing exactly what you're afraid of.

[sirDarts]

The queue time for Leveling (stop calling it low level, 7 of those instances are 51+) as DPS is usually not longer than 6 minutes for me. So there is already enough tanks and healers queuing for it. There is no reason to "get more of them in" by allowing queuing as a premade, especially since it's not guaranteed to open more groups for DPS, it could easily have the exact opposite effect since 1 or 2 DPS could queue with a tank friend who could otherwise be used for random players in progression dungeons.

[Kolaina]

But I am going to ask you to think of those who have longer than 5 minute ques.

as you should as well when you fill these spots with a premade.
the only way i would even agree with queueing premade is to reduce the bonus starting at 50%, and in increments of 20% more reduction with a 3rd or 4th person. thus giving more incentive to do leveling roulette as originally designed

edit: when i do my roulettes and decide to go as a dps, my only long queue time is for high level. coincidentally this is the only roulette people can queue premade

[SigurdDeMizar]

Personally, I don't see how it is encouraging any more participanting if pre-made team can do roulette. I start doing my tank class and queue with my friend as DPS so that she won't be queue forever. We queue for dungeon via DF (non-roulette). Because we don't get the roulette bonus, so it will take more dungeon run for us to level up. As a result it makes me go into dungeon more often as a tank and fill this "much needed" role for other people.

I don't see there is an issue with the current roulette implementation either. I think the exp bonus is there for those who has courage to let themselves to go in a random party without knowing anyone prior. It is BONUS, but not a given. People who doesn't have this patience with other people and lacking social skill can work harder to get the same experience. You can always have pre-made team to dungeon There is nothing in the game that stop you from playing with people you know, but you just can't level as fast.