DRK MT A3S DPS

[Airswimmer]

Check his lodestone. He has insane gear. All of his left side gear is i210 and he got full STR accessories except 1 crafted i150 ring. Loot-whore combined with optimal gameplay = insane DPS.

This is the reason why I'm not a big fan of this resurgence of DPS leaderboards, or at least how they're implemented currently.
There's nothing telling you what gear that person was wearing at the time, and it doesn't tell you if the group specifically altered tactics to inflate a single person's DPS.

At least back in 2.0/2.1, I only ever saw this kind of behavior in hidden away corners of the internet where someone tells a BLM they should be doing 450 DPS in Turn 1 while showing said person a parse of a single tank, overgeared ~1 minute kill. DPS leaderboards make setups like this seem like the norm.

[Gangaloo]

This is the reason why I'm not a big fan of this resurgence of DPS leaderboards, or at least how they're implemented currently.
There's nothing telling you what gear that person was wearing at the time, and it doesn't tell you if the group specifically altered tactics to inflate a single person's DPS.

At least back in 2.0/2.1, I only ever saw this kind of behavior in hidden away corners of the internet where someone tells a BLM they should be doing 450 DPS in Turn 1 while showing said person a parse of a single tank, overgeared ~1 minute kill. DPS leaderboards make setups like this seem like the norm.

They're the norm for Alexander Savage at the moment. Anywhere else they're not.

You are correct when you say the biggest problem with this site is that you can't see what gear setup the person was using at the time. However, an experienced player can usually tell by looking at how often you're able to hit your GCD (they can figure out how much skill speed you have). You can also figure out how much STR gear they have on by their maximum HP. Little nuances like "Which STR ring were they using? The det/crit or the acc/crit?" are difficult to figure out.

To the person you quoted... he's probably NOT a loot whore. I have fairly good gear and in no way did I ever loot whore. Running 2 raids (split 4 mains, 4 alts where mains get priority on loot) plus the ability to get gear with pages makes gearing up extremely fast now.

[Kihra]

You are correct when you say the biggest problem with this site is that you can't see what gear setup the person was using at the time.

I have thought about using various stats to come up with an estimated item level. In Warcraft Logs the item level is included in the logs, so I was able to make ranking brackets based off item level. So I have the capability... I would just need a good model for item level estimation.

[Gangaloo]

I have thought about using various stats to come up with an estimated item level. In Warcraft Logs the item level is included in the logs, so I was able to make ranking brackets based off item level. So I have the capability... I would just need a good model for item level estimation.

While estimated item level would be nice... it still doesn't solve the problem of not knowing exactly what gear someone is using (from a tank's perspective). You still have to look at their total HP to make an educated guess on how much STR they have (substats really being an impossibility to gauge). Unfortunately, ACT doesn't record player stats (at least not to my knowledge) so it's not really a fault of your site.

Another problem that hasn't been mentioned here is DPS cheesing. However, I doubt there will ever be a fix for that.

Let's be real:

http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=5001

2537 DPS MNK... best MNK in the world right?

Those SMN #'s are also "cheesed". :P

[RapBreon]

This is the reason why I'm not a big fan of this resurgence of DPS leaderboards, or at least how they're implemented currently.
There's nothing telling you what gear that person was wearing at the time, and it doesn't tell you if the group specifically altered tactics to inflate a single person's DPS.

At least back in 2.0/2.1, I only ever saw this kind of behavior in hidden away corners of the internet where someone tells a BLM they should be doing 450 DPS in Turn 1 while showing said person a parse of a single tank, overgeared ~1 minute kill. DPS leaderboards make setups like this seem like the norm.

Well yes, they're leaderboards, they're meant to represent the outliers, the precise opposite of a norm.

This is a problem with people not understanding how it works. To rank super high, is a team-game not an individual effort. Never has been.

Let's be real:

http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=5001

2537 DPS MNK... best MNK in the world right?

Those SMN #'s are also "cheesed". :P

When you look at his other parses on other bosses. Yeah probs best MNK in the world currently, despite him 'cheesing Faust'.

[Gangaloo]

When you look at his other parses on other bosses. Yeah probs best MNK in the world currently, despite him 'cheesing Faust'.

Yeah he's the MNK in my static group. He's a beast. The Faust cheese though was pretty funny.

[RapBreon]

Yeah he's the MNK in my static group. He's a beast. The Faust cheese though was pretty funny.

On a scale of one to Rockbreaker spam, where would you rate it?

I could imagine how much went into that 10 seconds of perfect balance on infinity dolls tho :P

[dank1]

This is the reason why I'm not a big fan of this resurgence of DPS leaderboards, or at least how they're implemented currently.
There's nothing telling you what gear that person was wearing at the time, and it doesn't tell you if the group specifically altered tactics to inflate a single person's DPS.

At least back in 2.0/2.1, I only ever saw this kind of behavior in hidden away corners of the internet where someone tells a BLM they should be doing 450 DPS in Turn 1 while showing said person a parse of a single tank, overgeared ~1 minute kill. DPS leaderboards make setups like this seem like the norm.

Thats because that info is irrelevant, all you should know is that it's possible if you want the same numbers push your class harder and think outside the box.
Hint: You wont get those numbers as drk being full vit spamming 123 aggro rotation while wearing your tanks dont dps headband

[Airswimmer]

Thats because that info is irrelevant, all you should know is that it's possible if you want the same numbers push your class harder and think outside the box.
Hint: You wont get those numbers as drk being full vit spamming 123 aggro rotation while wearing your tanks dont dps headband

You aren't giving me any "hints", nor are you making a point.
The point is leader boards alter the meta and opinion of a community.
Someone who "cheesed" their DPS by having their party cater to them, or even worse like Bane-ing DoTs onto Faust adds/Titan's bombs, by even a slight amount will make people question if a player "just isn't good enough" if they don't match up to those numbers.
Simply put, DPS leader boards create unrealistic expectations from the community.

[dank1]

snip munity.

No, they're there to set records not to set the meta.

I'm sure most statics are smarter than the average DF player and understand that the numbers listed in that sheet are exceptionally high but it definitely cannot hurt to push yourself to obtain similar numbers.

With that said it's just like our version of the guiness world records, why not have them for amusement?
I've yet to be told ever in the game that my numbers are bad because I'm not doing the same dps as the world record, and if I was ever told that you best believe someone would get made a fool of real quick.

I understand that this is the ffxiv forum, the most negative place on the internet where everyday it's doom and gloom and everyone thinks the world of eorzea is going to end at any second because of the "toxic elitists who poison the game" but even some assumptions get a bit too ridiculous