T5 Crafting/Gathering Materia, WHY THE DELAY

[TechnoTechie]

Most pieces can be fully melded without t5s, also keep in mind the white i150 gear fully melded is actually better in many instances than the i180. Ex gloves i150 = 8, 73, 4 versus i180 = 0, 75, 4 (craft, control, cp) with that in mind why wouldn't you craft the i170 = (9), 70 (82), 4. Otherwise just keep your i150 or meld 9 craft, 12 control.

as Aeyis mentioned, it's not quite "most" of the pieces. also while the i150 gear caps might be as you have listed them, you cannot fully meld to the caps on "most" of them (due to being unable to meld grade V materia, on top of the impossibility of melding all 8 craftsmanship, 11 control, and 4 CP with only 5 melds of grade IV) so for those not wanting to spend millions of gil on grade IV materia to barely not reach those caps, the i180 can be quite a hefty upgrade at the cost of some CP (in the case of pants/boots).

[MeridaQ]

My apologies for saying most, to be more accurate the left side. The point of my post was to help inform people who are not aware of the differences. Now that I am not at work I will elaborate. W/out T5 you can meld fully: cap, gloves, legs, feet, & rings. The rest need T5 to fully meld, side note the OH is a straight upgrade w/ materia.

[Katlyna]

Yeah I concur with where this thread is going. I started making things like pants/gloves etc... and when I saw the gains over my max melded i150 equipment I was seriously disappointed. I'm fairly sure at this point that with the chest/mainhand/offhand I'll meet the three start requirements without replacing my current i150 hat, pants, gloves, boot or belt. I did replace all my jewelry already and that was smart (the extra CP is great).

For anyone I would be wary of going meld wild till 3 star is released. Just save up a stock of materia and then deal with it then IMO.

[TechnoTechie]

Yeah I concur with where this thread is going. I started making things like pants/gloves etc... and when I saw the gains over my max melded i150 equipment I was seriously disappointed. I'm fairly sure at this point that with the chest/mainhand/offhand I'll meet the three start requirements without replacing my current i150 hat, pants, gloves, boot or belt. I did replace all my jewelry already and that was smart (the extra CP is great).

For anyone I would be wary of going meld wild till 3 star is released. Just save up a stock of materia and then deal with it then IMO.

that's actually the path I was planning to go myself; I've made half of the tools already and I only plan to make the other tools, and then chest pieces next. I almost have the materials for the neck, earrings, and bracelet ready, but I'm waiting to get some craftsmanship Vs so that I don't have to remeld it later.

[Aeyis]

My apologies for saying most, to be more accurate the left side. The point of my post was to help inform people who are not aware of the differences. Now that I am not at work I will elaborate. W/out T5 you can meld fully: cap, gloves, legs, feet, & rings. The rest need T5 to fully meld, side note the OH is a straight upgrade w/ materia.

And quite an upgrade it is. It's the only item that would still be an upgrade as NQ. Contrast to the accessories, where even fully melded with tier V's the gain is minimal.


The main issue I can see is that melding any of the none-cappable items without tier V before knowing the next stats requirement, can be quite a waste.

[MeridaQ]

Yeah my plan at the moment is offhands, accessories, belt, chest, mainhand. In that order, I hope to get a few T5 crafts so I can be well melded, but I am still debating on buying the mainhand with tokens versus melding. :/

[Aeyis]

Yeah my plan at the moment is offhands, accessories, belt, chest, mainhand. In that order, I hope to get a few T5 crafts so I can be well melded, but I am still debating on buying the mainhand with tokens versus melding. :/

It depends on whether you want CP. With 5x Tier IV the mainhand still falls short of stats compared to the i180, but it does allow you to get 4 CP.
Getting the i180 isnt as expensive, and provides easily more stats tho.

[Irisviel-]

Yeah my plan at the moment is offhands, accessories, belt, chest, mainhand. In that order, I hope to get a few T5 crafts so I can be well melded, but I am still debating on buying the mainhand with tokens versus melding. :/

I would just buy the 180 versions of the main hands. The 4 CP is the only reason to obtain them and 468 vs 472 CP is negligible at best because it doesn't change any rotation (at least that I have found). You will have enough stats to do 3-star crafting without Vs, by the way.

We know the ballpark for 3-star crafting because it absolutely has to be balanced around the 180 set, so the required craftsmanship will be from 800 to 865, most likely the lower end of that range, likely 818 craftsmanship & 795 control.

[TechnoTechie]

I would just buy the 180 versions of the main hands. The 4 CP is the only reason to obtain them and 468 vs 472 CP is negligible at best because it doesn't change any rotation (at least that I have found). You will have enough stats to do 3-star crafting without Vs, by the way.

We know the ballpark for 3-star crafting because it absolutely has to be balanced around the 180 set, so the required craftsmanship will be from 800 to 865, most likely the lower end of that range, likely 818 craftsmanship & 795 control.

you don't know that for sure. SE could have put the i180 in just to give people the stats to craft the i170 and base 3-star stats off of the i170. That being said, even if they do base it on the i180 set, it will likely be the bare-minimum so I'd expect it to be closer to 860 craftsmanship and 780 control

[Irisviel-]

It will be based on the vendor sets, just like battle content is based around the sets they can obtain from the vendor/drops. They would not screw over every single person who opts for the vendor sets - that's bad game design, I am extremely confident in saying without a doubt that a scenario like that will not happen. They cost significantly more than the 170 versions and are not designed as intermediate gear.

Those stats would likely be bare minimum though, agreed. But it's far more powerful to know a ballpark, so that you don't need to shoot for something crazy like 919 craftsmanship and 860 control just to be able to initiate the craft.