The crafting grind

[Galactimus]

It really just sounds like a gear problem.

Crafting 4000 collectability hand-in's is almost as easy as synthing two star food in 2.0. You can use the most basic rotations in the world to hit 4000 Collectability.


I'm getting 5100 Collectability on Red Scrip hand-in items just using a generic 100% success macro rotation. No "Good"s, no Hasty Touches, no HQ ingredients, no two star Blue Gear. Its nothing more than 5 Basic Touches and your usual Byregot's Finisher. Progress can be completed with Ingenuity II and four Careful Synthesis. (Just toss in a Waste Not so it doesn't cost 40 Durability.)

If you can't hit 4,000 every time you need to increase your control. Try an FC buff, Seafood Stew, some melding, or a Hasty Touch rotation for higher Inner Quiet stacks. These red scrip hand-ins really are one of the simplest things they've thrown at crafters thus far.

[MN_14]

I don't think the scrip turn ins are supposed to be difficult at all since they're simply normal mass produced crafts. It shouldn't be too hard to reach 100% quality, although if you're using the level 55 gear, you might want to use some HQ materials if your control stat is too low. It also helps if you can increase your CP to around 400 with food.

In general, the turn ins are designed to simply be a routine weekly grind and are considerably easier than previous requirements for master recipe books (1+2), the artisan's mainhands, and the lucis tools.

[ImDingDing]

"Crafting has been my whole game for months now"

I am suprised it took you that long. Took me 2 months for all 1-50 and 10 days for all 50-60 with limited funding and a RL full time job. I can only guess you are in a small server where mats are very very expensive.

And this a MMO, everything is grindy, shouldnt be anything new.

[FoxyAreku]

I mean... even with the above-mentioned conditions, I still am reliant on Quick Synthesis to actually get to the threshhold, and that 80% failure rate starts to add up fast. It's by no means easy, even if you're crazy enough to get CRP up to 50 and have enough money to afford HQ right out of the gate.

I dunno specific numbers but having all HQ materials gets you like 3k quality right there.
There's just no way I can see something that doesn't even require you to get 100% on quality difficult.

[Gilthas]

I am suprised it took you that long. Took me 2 months for all 1-50 and 10 days for all 50-60 with limited funding and a RL full time job. I can only guess you are in a small server where mats are very very expensive.

The grind isn't in leveling up DoL/DoH, it's when you get to 60 that it gets bad (badly planned mat requirements from 50-60 and bloated recipees nonwithstanding). The effort required to do something as simple as daily GC deliveries is simply stupid. It's a goddamn job now instead of a game.

It's inevitable that MMOs will have some form of grind. But there is also a thing called "too much grind". Gathering and Crafting are far too time-consuming and they were changed to this crap to appease greedy players that wanted SE to push away all of their competition so they could jack up prices on the MB.

Gathering and Crafting should be about players making their own gear with a reasonable amount of effort. It shouldn't be about a small percentage of players draining everyone else out of their gil.

[HakuroDK]

Just to throw my two cents in, the ONLY piece of red scrip gear I have ever purchased was the Millkeep's Saw. That's it. Every other piece of gear I have is crafted from favor mats. Max melded astral birch jewelry, a few extra Craftsmanship materia to meet the cap on certain crafts, and I can 2-star craft on BSM without ever having to touch red scrip gear for BSM.

The problem is that too many people seem to be way too afraid of even attempting favors.

The only trouble is that I botched an Adamantite Ingot craft three times in a row, which is QUITE discouraging, but I'm gonna take a short break and get back to it.

[Mature]

I think the problem right now with crafting 2 star stuff is very limited per week. If I'm right you can only craft up to 2 or 3 pieces ilvl170 per week (IF you gather everything by yourself. Excluding MB). Depending of what you gonna make. And that is what puts me off from crafting at the moment. If you fail all the recipes you basically stuck until next reset (a week). Unless you wanna blow Astronomicals amounts of money on MB for Mats you can get for free.

My solution for this should making red scrips reset as a daily thing , a bit like ehcanti stuff Ixali quest. This is just to help the MB to flow so they are price accessible for all.

The other solution is to chop by half the amount of items you need to turn in for key mats like purify coke (5 red oodis 5 wyverns warts)

[Aeyis]

"Crafting has been my whole game for months now"

I am suprised it took you that long. Took me 2 months for all 1-50 and 10 days for all 50-60 with limited funding and a RL full time job. I can only guess you are in a small server where mats are very very expensive.

And this a MMO, everything is grindy, shouldnt be anything new.

That's probably because you did it now, when the materials were cheap. Regardless tho, if you did 50-60 in 10 days then you got a lot of spare time.

The problem is that too many people seem to be way too afraid of even attempting favors.

The only trouble is that I botched an Adamantite Ingot craft three times in a row, which is QUITE discouraging, but I'm gonna take a short break and get back to it.

Ofcourse they would be. I just did one set and got 7 materials. Not exactly very promising for the remaining favors. If someone new to favors got a yield like that they would very likely stop doing them at all.

[HakuroDK]

Ofcourse they would be. I just did one set and got 7 materials. Not exactly very promising for the remaining favors. If someone new to favors got a yield like that they would very likely stop doing them at all.

To be fair, that is an extremely rare result, as someone who has been doing favors for weeks now. For a stack of 5 favors, I've seen an average of 12-15 materials, which is more than enough, and sometimes as many as 20, but that is just as rare as a result of 7.

That's like trying to craft endgame stuff, failing to do so, then refusing to do crafting ever again.

If you fall off the chocobo, you have to get right back on.

[Aeyis]

To be fair, that is an extremely rare result, as someone who has been doing favors for weeks now. For a stack of 5 favors, I've seen an average of 12-15 materials, which is more than enough, and sometimes as many as 20, but that is just as rare as a result of 7.

That's like trying to craft endgame stuff, failing to do so, then refusing to do crafting ever again.

If you fall off the chocobo, you have to get right back on.

Its not as rare as you make it out to be. The material types have extremely unbalanced spawning locations. For some the distance between [of one pair] nodes is almost as much as the distance between [of different pair] nodes.

''Oh it only happens sometimes'' That's nice. But that doesnt help anything to restore the morale of someone that did just get few items. RNG (and it having extreme outlayers) is one of the main reasons why not many people do favors.


You also can't just take the cheap way out and call it ''set of favors''. No, you do not get items per ''set of favors''. You get them per favor.