What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Magis]

It is very hard to break away from a formula like this, especially since it is a vertical progression based game. You can add in all kinds of new content you can, but people will always eventually get bored and ask for more. It is a no win scenario for the developers. It is not to say they shouldn't shake things up so things don't get stale, but it isn't that simple.

Nah, it's just the content they created has an extremely short shelf life. Bismark and the Dungeons specifically. I'd say Ravana EX was one of the few content that I personally enjoyed for a lot longer than a lot of things SE released. Probably because it's a damn well built fight with interesting mechanics (and it isn't even hard). Using your words, while all content may become stale, a lot of FFXIV's become stale extremely quickly.

[savarna]

Thats the thing though, according to official sources, the game is still growing. it might be time for you and your friends to find a different MMO to play together, or just different games in general since it doesn't look like there are any available MMO's that might suit your tastes.

Of the people I have played with and still talk to, about 95% still actively play. The ones I stopped talking to for various reason don't affect me, since we no longer do content together. People say they want lasting content, and sure that can work if done right. But who REALLY wants to still be running CT years from now for no real reason other than SE decided to just update the rewards instead of adding a new place to go? Or spend weeks/months trying to get drops from different zones so you can get gear. They tried that with the relic and people hated it. The Rage on the forums over Atmas, and then the dungeon drops was immense.

So you are saying that you are completely fine having the same linear type of content, in which all you do is instance over instance when all that changes is just the area? Oh hey then keep playing Neverdrip version only that on a different area and name, farming the same bull of tombstones (what will be next? um yeah I got it, Pedigree tombstones!) and dumping the previous gear in a matter of a few months along with the content. Have you played any other MMO's? you clearly haven't at least from what you post.

By the way, the vast majority of people you claim ''still play'' is not the same players you met in 2.0. The community of this game is recycled and it's core players are no longer to be found, being just a bunch of barren bones filled with newbies, who will just try this game because they are curious, then likely to abandon it and sail ship feeding this endless chain.

95 %?! lol where are you getting these numbers? in my case, all the people I used to play with are long gone.

[Kaurie]

Not necessarily. But this thread seems to be turning into another doom and gloom thread, so I will be taking my leave. People have been saying this game is going inactive and people are quitting since week 2.

Necessarily, the way the information is presented, it cannot shrink. They show lifetime registered accounts, not new registered accounts, not active subscribers. It's a cumulative number that cannot decrease. Therefore, yes it's impossible for it not to grow by appearances.

[DawnSolaria]

Well, because my way doesn't come at the expense of everyone else. You are arguing that the current housing system is perfect and fine the way it is despite many people not being able to even own houses. That's pretty much the definition of a selfish attitude - "I got mine, everything's fine, screw everyone else".

If the servers can't handle enough wards for everyone to have a house, it's time to take another look at the system. It's just not fair that you have access to content that I and others don't, all because you managed to scoop up a house right after a reset or are on a dead server. How you can even call me selfish when I'm asking for everyone to have equal access to something is just baffling.

I did not say "everything is fine, screw everyone else", nor did I ever say "current housing system is perfect". I would rather SE add more wards to give everyone equal opportunity, than to instance the house to give everyone equal opportunity. Your way does in fact come at the expense of people who want to keep community housing, thats quite a bit in the "everyone else"
Way to assume that I dont want to let everyone have a house just because I have one. All I want is just to keep the house uninstanced. Instanced housing is extremely anti-social, as evident in WoW's garrison.
You are also assuming that the cost to change current system to instance would be less than adding hardware to accommodate more wards, how can you possibly know this?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I don't want to be all doom and gloom just yet because Heavensward is still early in the expansion, but a lot of people are right. Only thing heavensward really brought was leveling up to 60 and a baby raid that's only fun for about 1 day a week. I think 3.1 will help some with the new beastman and relic. But we need more stuff like that. I would argue more beastmen in general; with more primals attached to them. Possibly require a certain reputation to fight the new primals. Something to give us more stuff to do in general, that actually progresses your character in some way.

EDIT: And for god's sake can we get our old coil difficulty back? Instead of easymode and wildstar mode?

Right now crafting is the only reason i log in, and if they nerf the 2 star crafts im prob done

[Kaurie]

I did not say "everything is fine, screw everyone else". I would rather SE add more wards to give everyone equal opportunity, than to instance then house to give everyone equal opportunity. Your way does in fact come at the expense of people who want to keep community housing, thats quite a bit in the "everyone else"
Way to assume that I dont want to let everyone have a house just because I have one. All I want is just to keep the house uninstanced, there is a problem with housing, but i would rather them add more wards. Instanced housing is extremely anti-social, as evident in WoW's garrison.
You are also assuming that the cost to change current system to instance would be less than adding hardware to accommodate more wards, how can you possibly know this?

Personally I would like more wards, so that everyone can purchase a house but it not be instanced as well. On that note, I'd rather have the insides of the houses also not instanced.

[Seryl199]

If you don't like the game, stop playing, seriously.

I don't get the point of forcing yourself to play a game that bores you to death.

I still enjoy the game, it caters to what I'm looking for, and does this for most of the people who still play. Sure this thread may be full of people talking, but its really only about what, like 20 people? out of several hundred thousand at least?

If we didn't like the game, we would stop playing. Truth is, we do like playing and we want to continue playing. There may just be a handful of players here, but I'm sure we aren't the only players that are bored, just like I know that the satisfied players aren't well represented. However, that doesn't change that all of us are still part of the player base, all with valid opinions. If we aren't happy, why shouldn't we voice those opinions?

I'm glad that people are still enjoying the game, FFXIV is a cheap date with a beautiful, polished world, packed to the brim with content. However, if the best this game has to offer to keep players invested is recycling their treadmill model, not only patch to patch, but expansion to expansion, I can't help but find myself disappointed. When I find myself disliking the game, I will stop playing, make no doubt of that. But I'd find myself much happier to feel that hook again, always itching to log in to Eorzea, and unfortunately, right now that spark isn't there.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

My FC is quiet unless it is raid night. My 8 LSes are quieter and quieter as the days tick by. My friendlist is fairly empty most of the time now. There is something wrong when even LSes that actively recruit kick inactive players week after week.

Once you finish the storyline and start hitting the weekly caps on things there is not enough to keep you interested in logging in more than 2-3 days a week. And no, I don't expect ANY game be able to keep me busy all of my free hours outside of work and sleep...

I really think the game needs one or two new types of content. Something else to do in a week.

A lot of people are bored with the same old "run 2 dungeons to cap current Tome and raid 1 thing' formula. My FC has people that used to be passionate about crafting & gathering just not see the value anymore. We have Pvpers that spend more time waiting for a queue than they get to actually PVP.

We (my FC) are really holding out hope that 3.1 brings good things. I'm personally excited to see what the airship content brings. And Void Ark will possibly have a good story and be fun and a way to gear up alt jobs. New Relic type line and beastman dailies will keep us logging in for a bit more.

We love the game! We feel like 85% of it is awesome, 10% is missing and 5% is design decisions that we disagree with but accept that its just how the game is built so we deal with it.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

I really, really liked both the new EX fights and I am sad that everyone I have talked to about it basically ran Bismark EX one time to unlock Ravana and then did Ravana EX 10 times to get a weapon and then never ever go back. They need to (and they probably will) add Ponies or cards or upgrade items. How many Shiva pony farms have been up in the PF? I still see them now but as lowman groups.

[Adventica6]

The fact they didn't bother to add relics yet is pretty alarming, it's a new freakin expansion.. wake me up when there is content worth doing.