Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Alahra]

Has anyone ever tested the dps difference between the i190 gordian chest and the i200 eso chest poece?

Given the decrease in value for secondaries, even if the i190 body is better, it would probably take hundreds of parses to really confirm it.

[MrCookTM]

Kind of difficult to test the exact difference when there are no NIN stat weights atm, though I've read that Dervy is currently working on it. For now we have to use what's posted for other jobs, such as DRG or MNK. Using those weights there is roughly a 3 DPS increase from the 190 to the 200 piece. Not to mention that secondaries took a nosedive in value with 3.0, with WD and Main Stat being more pronounced in importance.

I meant testing more in the sense of parsing, because yeah, obviously we don't have weights yet. What I did was taking the det/crit weights from mnk, since they've been the closest to nin pre 3.0, and assumed that skillspeed didn't change all too much, which would mean somewhere in the 0.09 to 0.11 range depending on mudra lag. The weight difference would be only between 2 and 3 calculated dex.

I'll probably just get both and test it myself, even if it takes a considerable number of parses like Alahra said. ^^

[Mystina]

It realy does not mater, much anyhow. Both have the acc you need mostly XD. The eso chest is still beter tho. Dont undervalue sks over det atm, its preaty tied...just depends on how much sks you have on other gear. Most of my gear is acc and crit atm so balances out.

[LordTiberiusRex]

Howdy all. I've been staying pretty silent on the updates lately mainly because they're QoL related, but this one is of great importance below:

I went ahead and did an update on BiS Loadouts which have >= 640 accuracy. I'm aware that Ninja does not have any stat weights posted yet so I used the MNK stat weights due to Greased Lightning and Huton's likeness. That will cover the acc caps for content up to A3S without any misses. Definitely expecting CRT to be the new king of the secondaries across all melee dps at this rate.

They will again be updated when either 3.1 comes out or when the published NIN stat weights come out; whichever is first really.

[Subucnimorning]

Suiton while tank is pulling, 1 (B4B), 2 (IR), Dancing Edge (Pot), 1 (TA+Kassatsu), Shadow Fang (Fuma Shuriken), Mutilation (DwaD), 1 (Mug), 2 (Duality), Aeolian Edge (Jugulate)

I've been trying this the past couple weeks. My problem is the TA+Kassatsu, it delays the GCD slightly for me and I end up missing out on Duality + AE as the TA debuff expires just as that GCD is coming up. Do you not experience that? My latency is pretty good so I would be surprised if I am the only one.

Other question is...have you had experiences where the TA effect doesn't apply in time for SF if you don't double ogcd there?

[Istede]

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You could try doubling up on the damage buffs and doing Kassatsu a couple steps earlier. I am still leveling, but have been doing Suiton on pull -> SE (BFB+IR) -> GS (Kassatsu) -> DE (pot) -> SE (TA) -> SF (raiton) -> Mut (Mug+Jug) -> AE combo

Once I hit 60 I'll do SE (DWAD) -> GS (Duality) -> AE after Mut.

BFB doesn't always activate, but it usually works and I have seen a big improvement in my numbers. It is /really/ tight though, like AE will go out as the vuln debuff counts down from 1 to 0 (but the icon still hangs). I am not sure if I will have issues at 60 with the additional ogcds, or if more sks from gear will help at all.

I have not experienced what you are talking about with TA, but that sort of thing happens with SCH dots and bane pretty often. Seems like it takes an extra fraction of a second for dots/debuffs to register.

[MrCookTM]

This is the exact reason why TA+Kassatsu is recommended, because if you do TA SF, more often than not the SF will not benefit from TA. Are you sure your duality AE doesn't fit? Like, did you check the damage it does? Because just like how a positional registers the second you press it, even if the animation ends when you already moved, it's pretty much enough to just fire off AE while the debuff icon is sttill on the mob. You don't need the animation to finish before TA falls off.

[YesIamAya]

You sure that BiS on the OP is actually BiS? cause this set actually gives more like 2 or so more DEX : http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RJPF , and it also meets the accuracy cap.

[Pluvia]

Since Dervy can't share this personally i'll post for him
Nin stat weights
Ninja:

WD: 10.775
DEX: 1.000
DET: 0.141
CRT: 0.166
SS: 0.074 (Mudra clipping is horrible)

[MrCookTM]

Since Dervy can't share this personally i'll post for him
Nin stat weights
Ninja:

WD: 10.775
DEX: 1.000
DET: 0.141
CRT: 0.166
SS: 0.074 (Mudra clipping is horrible)

Thanks a lot Pluvia. I did expect Skillspeed to be lower than Mnk, but I didn't expect it that low. ^^

So, looks like this is our actual BiS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RKNB

Which is basically the one already covered in the OP.