Please reduce the Esotheric reward for the team that finished 2nd and 3rd

[Monoman]

Just remove eso for 2nd and 3th completely so eso farmer wont even try to pvp. I think we should get PvE rewards only from PvE content I mean do I get marks/pvp exp from dungeons? No, why should it be the other way around no point in reducing the queue times if the team sucks.

pve won't die in week without pvp rewards in it though. You can bet if this was a pvp heavy game, they may incentivize pve with pvp rewards.

Whether a team sucks or not because of pve rewards means little if it makes it seem like a part of the game is alive to square it seems.

[Voldemort]

People do the same thing just for the wolf marks for pvp armor, as your first roulette try gets you 1000 wolf marks minimum for third place.

So one can then make the argument that players are just going for the wolf mark bonus to get glamour gear. Where's all the people coming out of the woodwork complaining to have the wolf mark bonus removed then?

Fact is, esoterics for pvp should be here to stay. It's a thousand times better alternative than farming Neverreap a billion times for the eso cap.
Besides, I've always heard of these mystical "only playing pvp for the rewards dont care about performing" players since 2.0, yet I have never seen such a person.... but of course, players will make them out to be as rampant as the RMTs...

[Stupiduglytaru]

Esot needs to stay imo, all it will create is yet more gc bangwagonness. I'm one of those you know that actually enjoys pvp, I also occasionally enjoy some pve action. Having esot in pvp means I can safely cap out without having to set foot into lolroulette.

Whilst I agree pvp should reward purely pvp related items, currency etc. What realistically do we have to spend it on? A paletted unoriginal pvp set which has little use currently? I'm close to having every single piece of i180 gear just from reranking 1-50 with adders.

I joined adders due to flames q time, it was frustrating sitting there waiting and waiting again, it was no problem 2.x days as I worked on crafting. I filled my time making millions of Gil. But with the crap 3.0 has done to crafter's I really can't be bothered.

Would the team's even be more balanced with the esot gone? Who knows, anyway until we actually getsome useful pvp items anything other than removing gc restriction is a waste of time.

[Februs]

This was brought up several times in the "casual PvP problem" thread I posted a while back. I think what we eventually decided on was that the reward should be scaled with 1st/2nd/3rd place, but daily roulette should keep its bonus. The tipping point was that it is infuriating to have the actual pvp'ers trying to pull the team together to win, but have the casuals constantly trying to convince everyone to not care, just so they could get their bonus. This was also around the time we were starting to see Eso farm bots show up in PvP. They would just mount up, and ride in a straight line until something killed them or they got stuck against a wall. Not cool.

Personally, I'd like to see Eso bonus completely removed from PvP in favour of purely PvP related rewards. That being said, for this to happen they'd have to overhaul the wolf marks system. For one, there should be more, functional gear sets, especially one that's usable at rank~40-45 and 50 (even if it's just for glamour). Secondly, there should be wolf marks shop at Wolve's den pier for PvP specific rewards. I'm thinking, PvP mounts, minions, housing decorations/items/ etc. Give us more things to spend our Wolves Marks on besides just gear that is pretty much only for appearances.

Lastly, I don't think GC swapping as a result of Eso's being redone would be as big a problem as some people seem to think it is. For one, people already swap GC's to chase wins as it is. People talk as if this would somehow be more incentive. I call BS. GC swappers don't need more incentive. They do it anyway, and it's almost always on a snap judgment that is biased from personal win/loss records. Let em' swap around all they want. It won't make a difference that isn't already clearly happening. The best solution to all of this will come naturally if they remove GC restrictions. At that point they can switch Eso's around, or just blatantly remove them, and it won't make any difference to ques at all. GC swappers will have to face the cold hard truth about their losses, and look in a mirror instead of point fingers at their GC.

[Jinglybell]

I think rather then reduce rewards for 2/3rd they should just buff 1st and 2nd slightly, or at least 1st.

[Februs]

People do the same thing just for the wolf marks for pvp armor, as your first roulette try gets you 1000 wolf marks minimum for third place.

So one can then make the argument that players are just going for the wolf mark bonus to get glamour gear. Where's all the people coming out of the woodwork complaining to have the wolf mark bonus removed then?

This is utter nonsense on so many levels.

1. PvP gear is Rank locked, so you can farm for wolf marks until you're blue in the face, but it won't make a difference. You won't be able to equip or glamour that fancy rank 50 gear until you earn the right to it. No PvP complains about wolf mark bonuses because their currently useless. You will earn the marks you need to buy all your rank 50 gear 3 or 4 times over without bonuses before you reach the rank to equip/glamour them. So, why would anyone care if wolf mark bonuses are removed or not? Further, if you're farming wolf marks for rank 50 glamours (which means you had to get to rank 50) that means you had to actively play PvP to get the rank. Which means you're, by default, not just a farmer or casual player, you're a PvP'er who has a vested interest in winning for exp.

2. Wolf marks are a PvP bonus in a PvP game mode. How does that even compare to getting PvE rewards? You don't see PvP'ers getting Wolf Marks from ex roulette, do you? No. So why is it the other way around? I hear a lot of PvE'ers complain, "oh woe is me, I have seven different dungeons to run to get my Eso's... that's so not enough. How could they ever think of removing bonuses from PvP??" What a joke. PvP'ers get one game mode (that has active ques) and hardly any rewards (that they can actually use) for playing it. I don't have any sympathy for PvE'ers who seem to think they're hard done by.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

No.

Bad Idea honestly. We need more rewards for other zones.

Separating PvP and PvE is stupid and has always been stupid. It ends up making it a Mini-game which is unsupported. The developers see that and put no resources into it and it becomes a grind un-fun minigame.

I have no problem with the "Eso farmers"

but seriously... it is honestly very demoralizing for some of these people to even HARASS us in alliance chat when we're actually trying to strategize and go for the win.They tell us, "theres no point in even trying, thanks for eso"

I know everyone is probably gonna be salty due to their eso farm being gone, but this is PVP, you need to draw the line somewhere SE. This is a BLIGHT on the PVP community.

When your team is half the points and the game's almost over it is better to just take the loss. You lost.

Maybe if they removed the ridiculous rank requirements so I can actually wear my PvP gear I have sitting in my inventory I would be able to be a bit better.

[RiceisNice]

When your team is half the points and the game's almost over it is better to just take the loss. You lost.

Maybe if they removed the ridiculous rank requirements so I can actually wear my PvP gear I have sitting in my inventory I would be able to be a bit better.

PvP gear doesn't help. Frontlines already syncs your ilvl and PvP gear doesn't give any special stats that would have effects.

And if people didn't give up when they're behind 300 points or an enemy team was already at 750/800, you'd still be able to fight back from a win. I've won games where we came from a 500 point deficit (we were at 0 points for the first 3 node sets) until people people actually started listening to calls and rallied together.

It's either this or make second place worth a shit toward achievements or more meaningful rewards. +50-100 exp/currency out of the 4k you need to level isn not much of a compensation. It's first place or bust when it comes to getting achievements, the difference between 3rd and 2nd quantive rewards are negibile at best, and the people who don't care for PvP still get the same amount of PvE rewards regardless of the outcome.

[ajx]

Rewarding someone to reach a goal always yields better results than punishing for missing it- proven fact .

If anything, they should incentivize efforts made to win .

The way this should work should be tiered , say :
0-200 resources: 15 eso
2-500 resources 20 eso
500+ resources: 25 eso
1st place: 30 eso

3rd place cannot get more than 20 esoterics.



I believe the above structure will reward players for reaching goals over and above the current system that has been accepted and is in place.

[Februs]

No.
When your team is half the points and the game's almost over it is better to just take the loss. You lost.

Maybe if they removed the ridiculous rank requirements so I can actually wear my PvP gear I have sitting in my inventory I would be able to be a bit better.

One, unless your team is doing their best to imitate ducks at a shooting range, there's never a time you can't turn a match around if your teammates get their heads out of their butts. Real PvP'ers know this, and never accept a loss just because they're behind by half. I've seen matches get turned around in the last 10pts, because the two losing GC's buckled down and murdered the living hell out of the winning GC. What loses matches is an attitude that decides you lost before the match is even over.

Two, your gear comment is silly. Removing Rank restrictions on PvP gear is absurd. In PvE, that would be the equivalent of giving everyone their I lvl 200 gear for free so they can all run Alexander savage, because, heck, why not? They're gonna be able to afford it eventually anyway, right? Forget having to earn things. Forget rewarding players who put in the effort. Let's just all hold hands and think happy happy thoughts while we all look pretty in gear we got as a pity hand out... excuse me while I go throw up and find something new to play.

If they decide to increase PvP exp bonuses, or scale it in some way that makes sense so the grind isn't as horrific, I'd be fine with that, but this all's fair crap has no place in a competitive game mode.