How likely is Alex savage to be nerfed.

[Ruri]

They might add echo or simply allow you to do the fights with no ilvl sync when new gear is out months from now. But I would doubt they are going to nerf mechanics in savage.

[zosia]

Yes, I do expect they will add them to a weekly Void Ark completion quest.

Also, I suspect that the delay in the weekly quest giving out Encrypted Tomestones until 2.55 had more to do with maintaining Relic viability rather than anything to do with FCoB since Carboncoat and Carbontwine were available through hunts at the very start of 2.5.

When Syrcus Tower was released in 2.3, it was quickly determined that running the Tower for an Unidentified Tomestone and then doing hunts for the Sand was a much easier and less of a hassle for a similar reward than working a relic up to i110. This caused a steep drop in the number of players working on relics. To avoid a repeat of that they delayed easy access to Encrypted Tomestones until the Relic was superior.

The old argument then was that raiders already had access to the gear and that CT was the "catch-up" patch. When 3.1 drops, there is going to be no catch up needed since alex savage will still be current content. I don't see hundreds and hundreds of statics getting clears by mid october, why would Yoshida choose to destroy those people's progression by showering everyone with 210 gear?

I think you are hoping for way too much if you want twines before most raiders can get them.

[Kewitt]

3.2 echo. 3.2X somethings people still can't understand how to do...
oh and gear.

[Nadirah]

The old argument then was that raiders already had access to the gear and that CT was the "catch-up" patch. When 3.1 drops, there is going to be no catch up needed since alex savage will still be current content. I don't see hundreds and hundreds of statics getting clears by mid october, why would Yoshida choose to destroy those people's progression by showering everyone with 210 gear?

I think you are hoping for way too much if you want twines before most raiders can get them.

I think most raiders will be getting their twines out of Void Ark.

I also honestly believe that Savage was a "fine, you want to bitch the content isn't hard enough, here, have at this you whining little snots" thing.

This isn't a hardcore raid game. The difficulty of Savage coupled with the 'git gud' permeating attitude just tells me they threw it out there knowing it was too hard to shut the whiners up.

[Nestama]

I doubt Savage will get nerfed or have the Echo. It has no story to it and only exists for those who want a challenge and the loot. I could go so far as to say that Alexander Normal is what Alexander Savage would be if it were nerfed.

[zosia]

I think most raiders will be getting their twines out of Void Ark.

I also honestly believe that Savage was a "fine, you want to bitch the content isn't hard enough, here, have at this you whining little snots" thing.

This isn't a hardcore raid game. The difficulty of Savage coupled with the 'git gud' permeating attitude just tells me they threw it out there knowing it was too hard to shut the whiners up.

I don't see why SE would do this. Mid-core raid statics comprise the majority of raiders in this game, just as in any game. If I had to make a guess, only about 20% or so of the FCoB raid talent will get a4s clears before any big nerfs. SE would let down 80% of their raiding population to shut up the bleeding edge elite seems like a poor strategy to retain it's midcore player base.

It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think it was just an oversight on SE part. They underestimated the demand by the community for more mid-core raid content. SE needs soooo much more content around the difficulty of Ex primals. Content that is difficult, but pug-able. Content that is challenging and compelling, but you can still do it despite the time of day or if you have a static or not.

[AriaEnia]

Echo in Alexander isn't canon with the lore.

[Nadirah]

I don't see why SE would do this. Mid-core raid statics comprise the majority of raiders in this game, just as in any game. If I had to make a guess, only about 20% or so of the FCoB raid talent will get a4s clears before any big nerfs. SE would let down 80% of their raiding population to shut up the bleeding edge elite seems like a poor strategy to retain it's midcore player base.

It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think it was just an oversight on SE part. They underestimated the demand by the community for more mid-core raid content. SE needs soooo much more content around the difficulty of Ex primals. Content that is difficult, but pug-able. Content that is challenging and compelling, but you can still do it despite the time of day or if you have a static or not.

There is no point to having "midcore" raid statics now.

Either you're banging your head up on Savage, or you LolDutyFinder Normal in about an hour and be done for the week.

*That* is the biggest problem I have with the game right now as a side note.

[Colorful]

The old argument then was that raiders already had access to the gear and that CT was the "catch-up" patch. When 3.1 drops, there is going to be no catch up needed since alex savage will still be current content. I don't see hundreds and hundreds of statics getting clears by mid october, why would Yoshida choose to destroy those people's progression by showering everyone with 210 gear?

I think you are hoping for way too much if you want twines before most raiders can get them.

How is that destroying their progression? By mid-october most players will have a fair amount of Eso gear, if raiders still aren't able to complete the floor they're on (or hit a wall as some might say) the 210 gear will help them break down that wall and progress further.

[zcrash970]

Also, as it pertains to nerfs, midcore raid statics are more the norm than the exception, what are they supposed to do? Bang their heads against a3s until the next raid tier comes out?

The simple answer is yes