Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[DNO]

I have picked all points in different times throughout the conversation. I stand behind them all. I firmly believe Immersion is harmed, balance is harmed, and it is dumbing down the game when you're a click of a button away from a city.

Why is it not dumbing it down? Coz you said so? You don't think it sounds dumb to click a button and instantly reach another city?

That's a thought for you to ponder about. But hey.. i'm not gonna dictate your feelings regarding this. To me Final Fantasy is about an immersive realistic experience in a vast world, whereever it may be, and that includes Airships and boat rides.

then its safe to say thats your opinon. But it is not fact. If thats your opinion then thats fine. However there is no proof that going from one city to another in a insta airship is duming down of the game because there is no difficulty in waiting on a ship vs insta ship. you can stand by it and thats fine but it does not make sense to me and many others.

Dumbing down means the system before it was more complex. In this case or insta ship vs 5 min ship is waiting more complex to you?

theres a question for you.

[davysez]

then its safe to say thats your opinon. But it is not fact. If thats your opinion then thats fine. However there is no proof that going from one city to another in a insta airship is duming down of the game because there is no difficulty in waiting on a ship vs insta ship. you can stand by it and thats fine but it does not make sense to me and many others.

Dumbing down means the system before it was more complex. In this case or insta ship vs 5 min ship is waiting more complex to you?

theres a question for you.

I think SE would have a hard time dumbing down the anima-teleport system any more than it already is. Anyone, including a brain-dead vegetable, can instantly teleport to anyone of the fifty gazillion aetheryte camps, from anywhere in the world, at any time, just by opening a menu. If that's not already dumbed down enough, I don't know what is.

Yes, having to wait 5 minutes for an airship is more complex. You must ask yourself, which is more valuable, five minutes of your time, 30k of gil for a teletaxi, or 3 anima? It's called a trade-off, or otherwise known as "something which requires thought". Novel idea, this thinking while playing a game thing.

[Xianghua]

I think SE would have a hard time dumbing down the anima-teleport system any more than it already is. Anyone, including a brain-dead vegetable, can instantly teleport to anyone of the fifty gazillion aetheryte camps, from anywhere in the world, at any time, just by opening a menu. If that's not already dumbed down enough, I don't know what is.

Yes, having to wait 5 minutes for an airship is more complex. You must ask yourself, which is more valuable, five minutes of your time, 30k of gil for a teletaxi, or 3 anima? It's called a trade-off, or otherwise known as "something which requires thought". Novel idea, this thinking while playing a game thing.

well depends on the person and the situation. such as for many 5mins will be the least valuable of the 3. you can't regenerate 3 anima within 5 mins, nor can most make 30k gil in 5mins. but everyone has 5 minutes of time (if you don't you shouldn't be on the game.)

really the entire argument is 100% opinion based it will very from person to person. which people are going to have to meet in the middle or be SOL. SE's meeting in the middle by adding both. Honestly its all they can really do to make both sides somewhat happy. anything else will anger one side or the other.

[davysez]

well depends on the person and the situation. such as for many 5mins will be the least valuable of the 3. you can't regenerate 3 anima within 5 mins, nor can most make 30k gil in 5mins. but everyone has 5 minutes of time (if you don't you shouldn't be on the game.)

really the entire argument is 100% opinion based it will very from person to person. which people are going to have to meet in the middle or be SOL. SE's meeting in the middle by adding both. Honestly its all they can really do to make both sides somewhat happy. anything else will anger one side or the other.

Very true. I just wish SE would call it what it is. The insta-ship is not an airship ride, it is a teleport. There is nothing wrong with that, just call it what it is and price it appropriately, for the speed and convenience it provides. Save the airship ride for an actual ride which should be dirt cheap to make up for the few minutes it takes. It comes down to an issue of balance, for me.

That being said, I understand the devs eagerness to implement airships, and a convenient way to travel from city to city without using anima. I think this is a good move, I just hope they tweak it in the future, when zones are redesigned, airship instances are added, etc. and so forth.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

dumb something down: trivialize, sensationalize, make shallow, make superficial, make trivial, make frivolous, make less intelligent

Now, i will turn that question back to you.

Is an instanced, insta-port transportation through a click of a button dumbing down what would have otherwise been a flight schedule that you have to tend to and consider every once in a while and time with your own schedule and an Airship ride you have to hop onto and experience?

It is dumbing it down because it removes from it the very nature that it's supposed to reflect, it's more of a teleport than an airship ride now. Is that true or not?

Lol, No. Plus I don't believe they ever said you don't have to wait for the ship to arrive or not, all they said was that the ship is going to be insta travel. If that be the case is it in no way shape or form dumbing it down.

Very true. I just wish SE would call it what it is. The insta-ship is not an airship ride, it is a teleport. There is nothing wrong with that, just call it what it is and price it appropriately, for the speed and convenience it provides. Save the airship ride for an actual ride which should be dirt cheap to make up for the few minutes it takes. It comes down to an issue of balance, for me.

That being said, I understand the devs eagerness to implement airships, and a convenient way to travel from city to city without using anima. I think this is a good move, I just hope they tweak it in the future, when zones are redesigned, airship instances are added, etc. and so forth.

It is teleporting because it is instant? That sounds kind of dumb but I do understand what you are trying to say. Most of you forget the point of making it this way though, the point is so they could fit it into patch 1.19. I rather have airships in 1.19 than have to wait atleast another 3-4 months for them to come in the next patch and the only difference is you have actually see yourself on the ship for a few minutes. (which majority of the people go afk during that so what's the point anyways?)

Also FFXI's airship really kind of lacked immersion for the fact yes you was riding on a ship but you was not actually flying over your world during play. You could not ever look down and see creatures or other players or anything of the sort. You was just on a instanced treadmill that gave the illusion of traveling on an airship. I hope they make it more real time instead of that dumbed down crap.

[Gennosuke]

then its safe to say thats your opinon. But it is not fact. If thats your opinion then thats fine. However there is no proof that going from one city to another in a insta airship is duming down of the game because there is no difficulty in waiting on a ship vs insta ship. you can stand by it and thats fine but it does not make sense to me and many others.

Dumbing down means the system before it was more complex. In this case or insta ship vs 5 min ship is waiting more complex to you?

theres a question for you.

dumb something down: trivialize, sensationalize, make shallow, make superficial, make trivial, make frivolous, make less intelligent

Now, i will turn that question back to you.

Is an instanced, insta-port transportation through a click of a button dumbing down what would have otherwise been a flight schedule that you have to tend to and consider every once in a while and time with your own schedule and an Airship ride you have to hop onto and experience?

It is dumbing it down because it removes from it the very nature that it's supposed to reflect, it's more of a teleport than an airship ride now. Is that true or not?

[DNO]

dumb something down: trivialize, sensationalize, make shallow, make superficial, make trivial, make frivolous, make less intelligent

Now, i will turn that question back to you.

Is an instanced, insta-port transportation through a click of a button dumbing down what would have otherwise been a flight schedule that you have to tend to and consider every once in a while and time with your own schedule and an Airship ride you have to hop onto and experience?

It is dumbing it down because it removes from it the very nature that it's supposed to reflect, it's more of a teleport than an airship ride now. Is that true or not?

again since the airship ride is in fact shallow, superficial, and trivial the question still stands.

Is it complex to you? waiting is not complex. So nothin in fact was dumbed down. It was just made faster.

[Gennosuke]

again since the airship ride is in fact shallow, superficial, and trivial the question still stands.

Is it complex to you? waiting is not complex. So nothin in fact was dumbed down. It was just made faster.

Airship ride is just that, it's irrelevant how you perceive it as you described it above, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. That's not the topic of our argument. It's about dumbing it down even further, and certainly, it is being dumbed down with this insta port implementation because while it is named Airship, it is in reality a teleport.
As an Airship, it is being trivialized, made frivolous and superficial. The very essence and meaning behind the Airship ride isn't being met. Instead, it's a port in disguise.

Saying it was made faster isn't an accurate description. In reality, it was removed all together, there is no Airship ride at all now and as a result it wasn't just made faster, it was made instant.

As for complexity, although i wouldn't go as far as labeling an Airship ride complex, though it is certainly more complex to follow a flight schedule and follow some procedure of riding the Airship, instead of talk to npc, hit button, appear in new city.

[DNO]

Airship ride is just that, it's irrelevant how you perceive it as you described it above, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. That's not the topic of our argument. It's about dumbing it down even further, and certainly, it is being dumbed down with this insta port implementation because while it is named Airship, it is in reality a teleport.
As an Airship, it is being trivialized, made frivolous and superficial. The very essence and meaning behind the Airship ride isn't being met. Instead, it's a port in disguise.

Saying it was made faster isn't an accurate description. In reality, it was removed all together, there is no Airship ride at all now and as a result it wasn't just made faster, it was made instant.

As for complexity, although i wouldn't go as far as labeling an Airship ride complex, though it is certainly more complex to follow a flight schedule and follow some procedure of riding the Airship, instead of talk to npc, hit button, appear in new city.

So waiting on an airship is complex to you. understood. therefore we agree to disagree.

@Dargoth_Draconia

I agree with you 100%. Skipping a CS (thats what SE said we could do not just press a button and be there) is not complex nor is waiting on an airship. We need to look at battles and puzzles and raids to be complex not travel. I will never agree with Waiting being complex or skipping the wait to be less complex because thats silly. One is just faster.