Harsher Leaver Punishments

[Kaiser-Ace]

the punishments need to be harsher but the rewards need to be greater too.
If you're doing roulette and you leave by anything other than the exit, you forfeit that daily bonus,[I] this includes "DC's" and vote kicks.[I/]

But then things like player comms should come with extra rewards like 5-10 eso tomes per comm, but only from roulette daily bonus runs.

encourage good behavior but really punish the bad.

That italixed part is the stupid part. I can get behind everything but that part. You noobs know Vote Kicking is abused and ISP connections suck for alot of people.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

My own experience shows that vote kick abuse is rather rare. IMO, a report about that abuse would be enough, depending upon the time, to not only get the abusers punished somehow, but also to get your DR bonus potential restored for the day. Obviously not exactly something that's likely to happen at, say, 10 minutes before the DR reset, but you can't have everything.

As for bad Internet connections .. there's nothing you can do about that. These days, legitimate Internet hiccups fall under the heading of "Act of God" and there's nothing you can do. Even dial-up connections are reliable enough that you are not going to disconnect every half hour or whatever. Actual, legitimate "my ISP dropped me" Disconnects are rare compared to the number of disconnects people force in order to avoid something. They do happen .. but they are nowhere near as common as some would prefer people believe they happen.

Anecdotally, I've lost my Internet connection more often due to power outages (which are rare) killing my router and modem than I have due to actual problems with the Internet. And I'm talking less than five power outages per year during my playtime (mainly due to afternoon popup storms, gotta love Florida weather).

So .. no, I can't agree that bad internet connections are something to hide behind nowadays.

[Amiaze]

Sorry, going to have to disagree.

I went into T5 for fun not long ago and wound up with an entire party that hadn't even watched a video. My off-tank kept running away when I tried to soak fireball with him. After a half hour of wiping, I voted abandon.

It was vetoed every time. I wanted to go into something else after leaving, but was forced to stay unless I wanted the penalty.

The system you propose would make situations which you simply couldn't win.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I DC spontaniously with a combenation of the old com lines (My router and modem are moddern but the lines to the were put there 20 years ago and never repaired.)

And even then, That doesn't stop Aeather Data Server from craping out periodically.

Punish the wrong doers not everyone that leaves a duty.

If you punish people for no reason then the game dies and we'll have a 1.0 incedent all over again.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I dont see what the issue is. You can always get a replacement...

Unless you're one of the players who refuses to roll a tank.

[LunaHoshino]

I will sometimes end up in what my FC all refers to as "loading hell" where I'll be stuck on the black loading screen for some ridiculous length of time when I'm trying to load into an instance. When that happens, it's sometimes faster for me to just shut down the client and log back in than it is to sit and wait for it to load. It's completely unpredictable; I can load into a dungeon in five seconds or less and then thirty minutes later I get stuck in loading hell trying to get into the same dungeon.

So it's not always an ISP problem that leads to DCing-- my internet is always just fine when that happens and I'm usually on TS the entire time. I've also had enough cases of someone DCing and coming back a couple of minutes later to know that DCing in instances for legit reasons is hardly an uncommon thing.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Vote kick abuse is incredibly rare for me. Any time you initiate a kick, you get a 4 hour cooldown before you can start another one. I don't think people will be willing to waste a kick like that.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Vote kick abuse is incredibly rare for me. Any time you initiate a kick, you get a 4 hour cooldown before you can start another one. I don't think people will be willing to waste a kick like that.

That would be common sence. Which is exactly why the opposite would happen.

[Sida]

Vote kick abuse is rare because it has quite little abuse potential. Add into it a punishment of some sort and the abuse potential increases.

About net quality, if you live in part of a world where it's not really an issue for you, good for you. I was in dungeon run and fc mate disconnected twice during it his comment, "Tahitian Internet" then again on same run both tank and the other dps disconnected once, both real ones. So punishing DC would just punish people who already have it bad. It would create additional minimum specification, you'd need to have spotless net connection, otherwise the game deals punishments and that would quit the subscriptions of those to whom it is a regular problem.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

That would be common sence. Which is exactly why the opposite would happen.

Are you saying people are going to be kick happy despite the cooldown? Trolls want trolling to be easy. Ergo, they aren't really going to get their rocks off with one kick per four hours.

BTW. Sense.