Harsher Leaver Punishments

[ChameleonMS]

Not sure why so many people join dungeons simply to leave 1 sec in, but I see it way too much, and have been seeing it since 2.0. There really needs to be harsher punishments for consecutive dungeon abandonment.

Something I was thinking is to give characters an invisible "Leaver Counter" (or something like that) which increases each time you leave a dungeon before it is completed. And the more "stacks" you have, the harsher the punishments become. Starting at 30 minutes, as it is now, and just increases the more "stacks" you have from leaving. And because people could simply do nothing or "disconnect" and wait to be kicked so they don't get punished for it, being kicked could always give half a "stack", 0.5 instead of 1, but not give an instant punishment unless they have a certain amount of "stacks". And the "counter" would only go down while you are logged in, and at a SUPER slow rate, and get entirely wiped each week.

I disagree because it would make my situation worse. As working person and parent of small children, I get a maximum of 3 hours of playing time after the kids bedtime.
Unfortunately, small children have a habit of not sleeping continously. And, this requires me to frequently abandon the game for 15 to 30 minutes. I graciously accept my 30 minute penalty (class is irrelevant, I play them all).
The other night, for example, I took 2 penalties, the first about 1/2 way through and the second right at the start; I mean literally, the DF popped I loaded in and the baby monitor trigger my need to leave 30 seconds later.

Let them just lose the bonus if they leave within the first 10 minutes of the dungeon - if they dont like the roulette, give them no reason to do it. 10 minutes is a fair amount of giving even a "bad" group a chance - and if they dont like the dungeon 10 minutes will enough to progress enough so leaving will become less attractive.

Just giving them the same dungeon over and over wont solve the problem... I recall the days where people would leave brayflox HM because they wanted to run it with a blm only...

Your suggestion, would make progression to much more difficult for players with RL restrictions on playing time. We, the players with RL limitation, need those roulette bonuses.

I think the punishment for leaving before an instance is done is a ban on the leavers account for a month. I think that'll show em.

Your suggestion is almost as must troll, as the players OP is complaining about.

[Vidu]

Your suggestion, would make progression to much more difficult for players with RL restrictions on playing time. We, the players with RL limitation, need those roulette bonuses.

Well, thanks for suggesting I dont have a real life because I dont have the time nor patience to wait for my roulette or dungeons (yes, people are queining for dungeons only aswell) over and over again because someone is bailing just because he didnt got the easy, fast dungeon he wanted...

Dont get me wrong - I do understand you concern and in some way your reasoning. But, wuite frankly speaking: You dont need the exp-bonus... we got that bonus later to make ranking up easier (yes, there were times without the bonus and we managed to level our classes!). You're saying yourself that you're playing all classes - but you're telling me that you can only do your roulette by bailying? I do understand that rl is more important - but that goes for everyones rl... this isnt excatly aimed against players like you who cant play because of rl-reasons but to make people think twice before leaving right within the second they're seeing CC...

[Metalwrath]

I think some people are missing the issue of why players leaving is such a big issue.And it's not because it's wasting the time of other players doing roulette etc.It's the fact that roulette itself was designed to help newer players get through old content that doesn't get as frequent visitors.Hence the bonus from it.It rewards players a lot of the time for helping newer players complete content.Now i do understand some frustration that players get sick of seeing dungeons like AV,DD and Brayflox which are long enough dungeons.But that influx is due to players leveling mech,ast and dark as they start at lvl 30 and a lot of players leveling them to 50 through dungeons as it's faster than fateing generally.

[Metalwrath]

The harsher penalty needs to be there though because roulette is not you keep leaving until you get the easy dungeon you want.Doing that is countering SE's way of helping new players deal with the lack of players going through low level content.I'm sure nobody wants to see new players stuck at certain dungeons for weeks to progress in story.

[Sentaryuu]

The penalty to me is just fine. I wouldn't want to be punished harshly just because I get disconnected or kicked/leaving. I hardly ever get kicked which I'm happy for. I've only been kicked twice now and it was a due to a disconnect which I wasn't able to get back in fast enough. I always get legit disconnects (it can disconnect without warning) and have never seen anyone "fake" one. I sure can't tell if they are "faking" it anyway. And really I haven't had to deal with the 30min penalty yet. I've only left a dungeon a few times. Once because I wasn't fully confident in healing the dungeon yet and the other was just last night before maintenance.

So yeah penalty is just fine.

[Metalwrath]

I know players having bad internet or bad pc can be an issue to make them dc.BTW fake disconnects are generally obvious.You'll generally see someone convienantly disconnect right after a party fail on Alex turn.
The dungeon lock was a good idea in theory but there is one flaw to it.If nobody wants to do that dungeon at next time you are useing roulette you'd be stuck there for a very very long time.A better situation would be to set the last dungeon you left as highest priority for your character in Queue.This means that while you'd be forced priority into the dungeon / trial you left next time you Queue if none of those were wanted at the time you'd be sent to whatever is needed.
Keep in mind that the one you bailed was probably a more popular needed one in the first place this won't let you off the hook but at the same time won't keep you locked out of entering a roulette.

[Metalwrath]

Just to clarify incase there is confusion.If one player queues up for the trial dungeon you left you are placed in that queue and only that one until either it's filled or the people Queuing leave the Queue.Only then can you be placed among the rest of the roulette.

[ChameleonMS]

... wuite frankly speaking: You dont need the exp-bonus...

You are right, no one needs the roulette bonuses but it definitely is a useful aid in keeping up with progression.

this isnt excatly aimed against players like you who cant play because of rl-reasons but to make people think twice before leaving right within the second they're seeing CC..

The problem is how do you separate church and state. You cannot enact these increased penalties on the target players without broadsiding a player like myself.

[Brill_]

If people have no intention of running the dungeon, then a longer lock out shouldn't bother them.

Took 2.5 hours and 3 queues to finally get a group for leveling roulette tonight because tanks and healers kept leaving 5 seconds into the dungeon.