We should ally with the Garleans

[Kikoten]

Why we should NOT ally with the Garleans:

They're a gods damned empire.

Plus, they seem to have something in common with Sauron. You probably know what it is.

[ChazNatlo]

Why we should NOT ally with the Garleans:

They're a gods damned empire.

Plus, they seem to have something in common with Sauron. You probably know what it is.

A distinct love of overly ornate and all covering armour?

[Xanikk999]

Why we should NOT ally with the Garleans:

They're a gods damned empire.

Plus, they seem to have something in common with Sauron. You probably know what it is.

So what if they are an empire? The whole "empires are bad" thing is really only a modern viewpoint. Very few native citizens of the British Empire during it's greatest extent in the 19th century thought they were doing the wrong thing or were "evil".

[Gaiussenpai]

Why we should NOT ally with the Garleans:

They're a gods damned empire.

Plus, they seem to have something in common with Sauron. You probably know what it is.

Empires are cool and most ancient empires were actually more of a good thing at most times back then

Also aree you referring to tolkien sauron or jackson sauron because the former wasn't actually muh evil gotta rule age of muh orcs

[ChazNatlo]

Empires are cool and most ancient empires were actually more of a good thing at most times back then

Also aree you referring to tolkien sauron or jackson sauron because the former wasn't actually muh evil gotta rule age of muh orcs

No. The former was effectively a fallen angel that literally served the Middle Earth analog to Satan, and figured once his boss got kicked to the curb he'd try his hand in the evil overlord game, and used an army made up of elves his master literally tortured into evil shadows of their former selves.

[VargasVermillion]

Also people keep assuming those that like the empire are trying to say they are misunderstood, they aren't. From our characters points of view they aren't and from the city states PoV they aren't. Those that dislike them are more than justified in doing so. But as mentioned numerous times some of us like playing the antagonists or just an opposing faction in general.

[ChazNatlo]

Also people keep assuming those that like the empire are trying to say they are misunderstood, they aren't. From our characters points of view they aren't and from the city states PoV they aren't. Those that dislike them are more than justified in doing so. But as mentioned numerous times some of us like playing the antagonists or just an opposing faction in general.

A number of you just want to play the badguys. Some of the people arguing seem to think that the Garleans are perfectly justified, or that we only see the worst of them. ((With the odd good soldier thrown in.))

[Teryaani]

A number of you just want to play the badguys. Some of the people arguing seem to think that the Garleans are perfectly justified, or that we only see the worst of them. ((With the odd good soldier thrown in.))

Some of us just want to watch the world burn...no wait. We want to watch our enemies burn while we rule the world.

People like playing the Sith or the Horde because their story is more morally complicated or because it frees them to behave more badly. Either way they likely end up with the better story overall. We haven't had many morally dubious moments in this game because we are a Hero (capital H) and that's probably how it's going to continue.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Some of us just want to watch the world burn...no wait. We want to watch our enemies burn while we rule the world.

People like playing the Sith or the Horde because their story is more morally complicated or because it frees them to behave more badly. Either way they likely end up with the better story overall. We haven't had many morally dubious moments in this game because we are a Hero (capital H) and that's probably how it's going to continue.

As I said previously, there's nothing shown about the Garleans that can gather any form of sympathy for me. I have more sympathy for the heretics of Isghard. I also think most people who want to play a bad guy just want to be one for the sake of doing whatever they want cause "lawl i'm evil!" I think a certain GTA5 character was made for those kinds of people.

[Teryaani]

As I said previously, there's nothing shown about the Garleans that can gather any form of sympathy for me. I have more sympathy for the heretics of Isghard. I also think most people who want to play a bad guy just want to be one for the sake of doing whatever they want cause "lawl i'm evil!" I think a certain GTA5 character was made for those kinds of people.

Just so I'm clear, I'm not advocating pro-garlean. In addition to their uniforms being sub-par for an evil empire, their leadership are far too in the mold of cackling evil stereotypes to be enjoyable.

I'd like the chance to have alternate choices in game and have them actually mean something. The chance to be even a bit more amoral would be nice with all the consequences that brings. That doesn't mean going full Trevor.