PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Sleigh]

oh but the fact is dark has the exact same migration as a pld and also did you know they are tank classes?

also on top of this darks superior magic defense too so superior dps sameish physical migration unless rng gives you a tone of shield blocks and the fact darks also have superior magic defense.

Sorry but your view on balance is stupid atleast wars are actually alil more glassy so their extra dps is fine darks is not unless they get defense nerfed midrange between pld and war then I would be fine.

Exact same mitigation? PLD gets a shield, Bulwark (DRK gets Dark Dance but that's still inferior), Sheltron, and a better Sentinel and immortality CD. Some fights this stuff isn't that helpful, mainly A4S, but otherwise it's certainly not negligible.

DRK's in a better spot for various reasons but don't pretend DRK's mitigating quite like a PLD is. It goes doubly so when you attempt to tank without tank stance, Sword Oath survivability is so far above no Grit DRK it's not even funny. How many of you guys are tanking the final phase of A3S without Grit? I can tell you it's a joke on Sword PLD.

[Tadus]

oh but the fact is dark has the exact same migration as a pld and also did you know they are tank classes?

also on top of this darks superior magic defense too so superior dps sameish physical migration unless rng gives you a tone of shield blocks and the fact darks also have superior magic defense.

Oh im not saying it is fair lol, Drk are better tha PLDs atm. Devs call PLD the tank king, but Drk has the same defense, so what the Devs have to do is give PLD more Def or something that make people think " oh that would be nice". Something that stands out from the other tanks.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

dark non grit lol a3s dark dose slightly better dps in grit than pld in sword so please don't try to pretend plds are fine like you just did.

and I mean same skill same geared ilevel.

[Cinicus]

PLD dps doesnt need to be raised. Its DEF needs to be raised and in so doing it will allow the healers to make up for the lack of dps. PLD should be the undisputed defender of the realm. Im more than happy to give up personal dps for better use of my shield!

[Phoenicia]

If plds got buffed to be equal to dark magic migration and similar dps then there would be more fights cause only 2 tank slots 3 tank classes. but just cause only 2 tank slots doesn't mean tank classes should be so far aprt with the exception of warrior.

Ehh? As a player who played WAR since 2.0 until 3.0 came out (then I switched to DRK and after that SMN), I'll tell you this my dear friend....

NO BODY CARES about your class if you're a good player with that class. I will ALWAYS take a good PLD into my group over an average DRK ANYDAY.

So no, 2 tank slots in a party is IRRELEVANT as long as people know I'm a good tank.

Heck, DPS aren't crying about DPS when there are 7 classes and only 4 slots in a party.

PLD DPS is FINE, it has other issues that are preventing it from doing its DPS.

oh but the fact is dark has the exact same migration as a pld and also did you know they are tank classes?

also on top of this darks superior magic defense too so superior dps sameish physical migration unless rng gives you a tone of shield blocks and the fact darks also have superior magic defense.

Sorry but your view on balance is stupid atleast wars are actually alil more glassy so their extra dps is fine darks is not unless they get defense nerfed midrange between pld and war then I would be fine.

You sir/madam, have absolutely NO idea what the tank classes are like.... DRK having the same PHYSICAL mitigation as PLD? Are you joking? LOL

Without CDs, PLD has 5% at least from the shield alone.

ALL of PLD's CDs are SUPERIOR to their equivalent on DRK. Every. Single. One. DRK only has a magical CD that a PLD doesn't have.

And WAR glassy? Are we even playing the same game? WAR has the HIGHEST effective HP due to combined CDs and super self-heals. Effectively, WAR mitigates more than PLD, only issue with WAR is it receives less effective heals (which is where the variance comes from).

You have no idea about the tanks balance if you can't even comprehend how their mitigation works.

[Sleigh]

dark non grit lol a3s dark dose slightly better dps in grit than pld in sword so please don't try to pretend plds are fine like you just did.

and I mean same skill same geared ilevel.

Why do you think that? Beyond add phase and taking tethers in tornado phase it's pretty much 100% uptime on the boss, I see no reason why Grit DRK beats Sword PLD considering Sword PLD straight up does more damage. Considerably so. In fact if there's any discrepancy between the two at their core it's that DRK does better in add phase since he can stun oGCD while a PLD has to break their combo if it's needed, but that's just padding considering it's a timed portion of the fight. My group already stands around doing nothing waiting for Pepsiman to respawn for about 5s.

I see clears of 600-700 with a DRK who goes Grit in every phase he tanks, MTing the first part of the fight. PLDs were doing that with less gear going Sword Oath a lot - BG's PLD did more than that IIRC. Honestly if Sword PLD was underperforming Grit DRK then holy moly would I be on the buff train, but I don't see that angle as being remotely true.

[Synestra]

Exact same mitigation? PLD gets a shield, Bulwark, Sheltron, and a better Sentinel and immortality CD.

Both Block and Parry got nerfed hard in HW, long gone are the days when even kite shields blocked 34% now its pitifull 21% and 28% with tower shields.

[Iamsomeone]

All these 1-2-3 I WANT MY DPS HIGH.

[Doudousteve]

Both Block and Parry got nerfed hard in HW, long gone are the days when even kite shields blocked 34% now its pitifull 21% and 28% with tower shields.

I believe we will get better shields as the expac goes on, so she kinda has a point.

[Synestra]

All these 1-2-3 I WANT MY DPS HIGH.

Well if this is the only reason that holds the job back in terms of balanced DPS amongst other tanks, then go on and add stack mechanic or something.

I believe we will get better shields as the expac goes on, so she kinda has a point.

Even with new shields i doubt it will go high as it used to be, i still dont get it why SE nerfed both block and parry in the firstplace.