So, pretty dead lately....

[Obysuca]

Congrats you rushed from 50 to 60.

Rushed? Give me a friggin break LOL The game practically throws levels at you without even trying. Go do Aery at 55, by the end of it you'll be almost 1/2 to 56. I'm sorry if you're bad at optimally using your time, but that wasn't rushing at all. That was doing every single quest and READING ALL of it. Doing a single dungeon for the story. Doing daily hunts. There was zero rushing involved when hunts give you up towards 300k a day, leveling roulette can give 200k+ and high lvl gives 100k+

I leveled up one of the new jobs to 50 first. Then the next job. Then the third new job.

Don't even try to pull that BS. The first thing I did was unlock mch and got that 50. Took it to 60 soon after through all of the quests and MSQ, all without rushing. Ast and drk are 52. Pre-3.0, I had every job 50.

On another note, you can get esoterics through PvP, Alex and extreme primals.

Thing is, you get around 5 ish from ex and maybe 10 from alex. No one in their right mind is going to do that when expert gives 40. Now, if ex and alex ALSO gave 40, then sure, that would be more variety.

[Nadirah]

No, but I do expect you to act like the adult I assume you to be and clue into the fact that putting in more content that YOU want means putting in less content that someone else may want. Your wants do not supersede mine. My wants do not supersede yours. They have to spread development time and money to make content that various groups want.

They need to pick a demographic and stick with it.

Trying to cater to too many playstyle cheapens content.

Increasing team size would help.

Already displeased with their raid choices being "faceroll" or "brutal" with no in between.

[myahele]

Honestly, all these weekly lockouts are so lame, especially since less then 6 month from now I know they'll be uncapped.

The world is vast and beautiful ... but there's really no incentive to explore it outside of costly treasure maps or if you're a gatherer. I find myself leveling other combat jobs and since release I manage to level and gear 6 jobs compared when in 2.XX I was actually busy doing other content and leveled jobs as an investment and not out of boredom.

I'll take a break from the game once my sub runs out until 3.1 releases.

I had such high hopes for the crafting/gathering in 3.0 but from the looks of it it's just a weekly-capped grind as well

[Nadirah]

I see, so without crafters supplying your static/party with food and pots, without crafters helping your static/party gear up with melded i180 gear, You have amazingly managed to already clear A3 Savage. Let alone A4S.

uh, huh. They don't help with PvE progression AT ALL </sarcasm>

What makes you think raids can't sustain themselves? Me leveling crafting has no impact. It's boring as piss.

[Daralii]

And guess what. Alex will be useless, the expert dungeons we have now will be useless, so we'll have 2 expert dungeons and void ark.

And that'll be irrelevant in 3.2, and 3.2 gear will be irrelevant in 3.3, and Heavensward gear in general will be irrelevant come 4.0, and the time invested in gear progression will be irrelevant since the servers will go offline, etc. Playing MMOs is ultimately about what enjoyment you're getting out of them in the present, and if you aren't enjoying it there's nothing keeping you here.

[Insert white knight/fanboy/sheeple accusations here]

[Nadirah]

Don't even try to pull that BS. The first thing I did was unlock mch and got that 50. Took it to 60 soon after through all of the quests and MSQ, all without rushing.

Yeah lol. Rushing. Following one quest to the next during my normal 8-10 hour sessions, even as AST(so I was behind by a week)...

Not hard really. I'm sorry I have more free time than these people.

AST to 60.
Then SCH/SMN 47 to 60.
Then BRD 50 to 60.
Then WHM 30ish to 51-52.
Then PLD 1-60.

Sick of leveling.

[Obysuca]

Yeah lol. Rushing. Following one quest to the next during my normal 8-10 hour sessions, even as AST(so I was behind by a week)...

Not hard really. I'm sorry I have more free time than these people.

AST to 60.
Then SCH/SMN 47 to 60.
Then BRD 50 to 60.
Then WHM 30ish to 51-52.
Then PLD 1-60.

Sick of leveling.

I know right lol these people try to make leveling seem like a giant obstacle and how difficult and long it is. Even if you don't really try, you can get 1-50 in under a week, then 50-60 in another 3-5 days. If rushing (had a guy in my FC do this), you can get 1-50 in a day and a half. Apparently these people seem to think if you play for more than an hour or if you gain more than 1 level a day, that you're "rushing" lol

Mch 30 to 60
Ast 30 to 52
Mnk 50 to 60
Smn/sch 50 to 60
Drk 30 to 52
Brd 50 to 60

[Kaurie]

Thing is, you get around 5 ish from ex and maybe 10 from alex. No one in their right mind is going to do that when expert gives 40. Now, if ex and alex ALSO gave 40, then sure, that would be more variety.

Yeah I don't know. I guess.

Personally, I've never done neverreap or fractals for esoterics outside of expert roulette, and I have done Alex NM with the intention of getting Eso while also getting drops for my alt.

Generally speaking, Alex NM run is like half of one of the dungeon runs, so 20 esoterics would be a better spot imo. Same with Ex primal.

I don't think that that is the real problem here though. Having some variation in getting esoterics is nice, but as you said, we want variation in gear as well. Various raids with other 200 items to choose between etc. We'd also need more useful 2ndary stats.

[Obysuca]

I don't think that that is the real problem here though. Having some variation in getting esoterics is nice, but as you said, we want variation in gear as well. Various raids with other 200 items to choose between etc. We'd also need more useful 2ndary stats.

Both would actually be great tbh. Looking at some of these people trying to start arguments, it really feels like they want to shun anything that remotely makes them have to think or put effort into something since it wouldn't be a straight path :/ I know I would love it if they had secondary stats like XI (and plenty of other mmos had), things like Refresh+ or Enhance quick reload or Firestarter+1

[Ashkendor]

Both would actually be great tbh. Looking at some of these people trying to start arguments, it really feels like they want to shun anything that remotely makes them have to think or put effort into something since it wouldn't be a straight path :/ I know I would love it if they had secondary stats like XI (and plenty of other mmos had), things like Refresh+ or Enhance quick reload or Firestarter+1

My only problem with horizontal gear progression is when one or two items are so beneficial to a class that they become mandatory. At that point, the "choices" are basically just smoke and mirrors.