PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Tadus]

ok so my pld ilevel 186 bairly does 815dps in sword oath on dummy 200 blade
dark same ilevel like gear 180 wep 950+
war same ilevel gear again with 180 wep 1050+

So plds need to be fixed majorly because this is a bad joke and my rotations are optimized before any one says anything like git gud.

TBH I am okay w their current DPS, the only thing that needs is development in the fun zone and change some skills like shield swipe. SE meant for PLD to be defensive I get that, adding more dps is ehhh ( like ppl say if PLD reached Drk or War dps, that is bad). They should give us more defense though, so we become the true defense kings.

[rawker]

inb4 sword oath pot raised to 80/90 to match auto attack pot.

[SwordCoheir]

I think getting rid of the stance penalties would do more than a simple potency change. Would be nice to you know, DPS in Sword Oath then actually be able to swap to Shield Oath for tank busters without A. Losing our combo, B. getting stuck on a GCD, and C. Losing 1/5 of our mp. I just don't see why PLD's have to suffer like that when every other stance job an flip through them on the fly.

[AIex]

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I can agree you make some good points here but we still have a major problem: What can be done to justify bringing PLD to a progression team? We all know for a fact PLD's are not better offensively than the other two, but on top of that, anyone who knows what they are talking about knows that PLD's are also not defensively better than the other two in savage. I could list the reasons why, but it would be a long post that has probably been done before.

[Tadus]

I can agree you make some good points here but we still have a major problem: What can be done to justify bringing PLD to a progression team? We all know for a fact PLD's are not better offensively than the other two, but on top of that, anyone who knows what they are talking about knows that PLD's are also not defensively better than the other two in savage. I could list the reasons why, but it would be a long post that has probably been done before.

Watch people be like "you have Hallow Ground" and "your sentinel has higher def."

[Sleigh]

I can agree you make some good points here but we still have a major problem: What can be done to justify bringing PLD to a progression team? We all know for a fact PLD's are not better offensively than the other two, but on top of that, anyone who knows what they are talking about knows that PLD's are also not defensively better than the other two in savage. I could list the reasons why, but it would be a long post that has probably been done before.

If absolutely nothing is done balance wise, and the fights are the same as they are now in the future, there'd be no reason. Savage as we know it, well, the 2 hard fights mainly but overall:

- Lots of magic tank busters
- Enrages designed around weeks of gear on A3/A4
- Magic raid AoE damage, as almost always
- Bosses that hit like children for sustained damage, only spiking up for cleaves and tank busters

It's the perfect storm for DRK, and knowing SE's history, most of this isn't exactly new (the enrages being so real in entry gear is the newest of the batch arguably) and probably will stay staple for the most part. You're correct that DRK had no power in progression other than A2S this time around.

That said, let's flip a known fight around, in theory. Let's say ... A3S. Imagine this stuff:

- Instead of magical, the stomps were physical, RoH works on them
- The cleaves in the final part of the fight were legitimate tank busters all the way, so that Sheltron and Bulwark go from something quite nice on them to holy moly this is a serious life saver stuff right now. Make the cleaves something that DRK can survive but needs serious babying and to stretch all its CDs for, not some half-assed mini tank busters.
- Make the enrage less strenuous, enough that the difference between DRK and PLD wouldn't have made or broken the clear week 2.
- The tethers in add phase and tornado phase do just enough damage that tanks have to eat them but they don't require CDs to live through

How much you wanna bet PLD + WAR would be the stock, go to, world 1st/2nd/3rd comp for that fight? Those are extreme shifts in the fight, of course, and I'm sure no one thinks it should be that way (including me, this is just a thought experiment!), but basically the way it works, it's the opposite right now where everything is in DRK's favor. Of the two, only DRK can debuff the stomps + Protean, only DRK can take the truly deadly tank buster tethers without even saving CDs for it, only DRK can easily and comfortably stay in tank stance and provide a good amount of DPS (Sword vs no Grit is a wildly different story).

Shoot, maybe in an alternate universe where A3S turned out like that, instead of topics saying "Buff PLD DPS, its survivability isn't needed!" you'd get topics saying, "Buff DRK's survivability, its DPS doesn't justify how bad it is at surviving A3S!" I'm just saying, the fights are making everyone go DRK crazy, rightfully so for now in fact. The only true issues are the 3 I mentioned earlier, TP/aggro/possibly Shield, and the whole bringing a NIN thing over a MNK for even more progression DPS. Everything else is a product of what we're fighting.

[Brannigan]

I think getting rid of the stance penalties would do more than a simple potency change. Would be nice to you know, DPS in Sword Oath then actually be able to swap to Shield Oath for tank busters without A. Losing our combo, B. getting stuck on a GCD, and C. Losing 1/5 of our mp. I just don't see why PLD's have to suffer like that when every other stance job an flip through them on the fly.

Dark Knight actually has a substantial penalty for going into Grit - even worse than paladin. They do have an easier time switching into damage mode, though, since they don't have a DPS stance and are balanced as such.

[Rawrz]

PLD gets Healer LB3? <3

[Tadus]

Let's be honest, who doesn't just want Stasis Sword as an instant cast spell?

What PLD does not want this??

[Seku]

Amen my friend, you are 100% correct. This post has around 540 replies, and 40k views, and yet not in the dev tracker. Its like our PLD suggestion are just going nowhere.

Probably due to the mixed bag of people going back and forth. ;x Should instead make a single forum post for people to "sign" that pld needs updates. If anything that seems to get SE's attention right away. It did with PvP anyway. T-T