Bard - they broke my job

[Snowaeth]

So MCH getting a QoL change kinda left me with a double feeling.
MCH was in a fine spot already but were given a QoL change anyway, meaning SE is willing to improve the class experience even when it's not broken.
Yet at the same time nothing happening to BRD which could use some small tweaks at the very least feels almost as if they want to shove it to the BRD's.

[Greedalox]

So MCH getting a QoL change kinda left me with a double feeling.
MCH was in a fine spot already but were given a QoL change anyway, meaning SE is willing to improve the class experience even when it's not broken.
Yet at the same time nothing happening to BRD which could use some small tweaks at the very least feels almost as if they want to shove it to the BRD's.

That double feeling is a little unwarranted. MCH was a quick QOL change that was more or less simply adjusting a CD. The bard issues that people claim (I don't know, I don't play Bard) sound like they may need more changes than just a shift in numbers to make you guys happy. Naturally that means that it takes more time. Be patient, I'm sure they've heard you guys by now.

[KYuuma]

Be patient, I'm sure they've heard you guys by now.

Hopefully...
I'm not going to get my hopes up tho. Seeing how little they're disclosing about the current state of BRDs, I won't be surprised if they turned a blind eye toward the job then claiming that it's "working as intended".

[RiceisNice]

Hopefully...
I'm not going to get my hopes up tho. Seeing how little they're disclosing about the current state of BRDs, I won't be surprised if they turned a blind eye toward the job then claiming that it's "working as intended".

Usually if the performance is fine, they won't make much drastic changes to it or something directly is not working as intended. Which is a shame because I'd like for BRD (or MCH) to have their little perk rather than having GB/WM being functionally the same.

Take BLM for example, they've been having the firestarter thing since 2.0 and they never bothered correctthing it. Now it became a bit more of an issue because you couldn't sharp cast fire I and go straight into fire III; you'd still get the cast bar and mana cost. They even hot fixed that on 8/4/15 and bard is still left alone BRD's straighter shot procs.

[Trixxy]

Happy 3.X BRD reporting in.
The job feels a lot more in-depth and enjoyable than ever.

Everyone who's still whining about their 2.X casual mode BRD being taken away should really consider moving on.
It's obvious that SE won't bother "fixing" something that isn't even broken in the first place.

Though, if you have the time to complain about how you're going to quit your "favorite" job over the span of 2 months - instead of learning to enjoy it - isn't gonna get far with any other DPS job.

Change in rotations and openers is a thing you should always be seeking if it improves your dps and WM is just that.
Especially after they've added the new HW abilities I've realized how simple and bare-bones the ARR BRD feels compared to other dps jobs.
And that says a lot about people who picked that version of the BRD as their "absolute favorite"; no worries though, I've also mained PLD because it lets me multitask while running my dailies.

[RiceisNice]

Everyone who's still whining about their 2.X casual mode BRD being taken away should really consider moving on.

And you seemed to just skim over the topic, because I don't think the majority of us whose still on that topic is even having problem with bard being too hard or difficult, or otherwise not casual

Though, if you have the time to complain about how you're going to quit your "favorite" job over the span of 2 months - [I]instead of learning to enjoy it[/I] - isn't gonna get far with any other DPS job.

I can't enjoy the fact that I cannot play re-actively to my procs. They'll almost always occur in the middle of a weaponskill or cast time. You'll always overshoot a straighter shot proc unless you purposely delay your next weapon skill or use empyreal arrow as the filler (which technically still goes beyond the weaponskill GCD). I've already made the switch to MCH and honestly, I'm glad I did; The two play extremely similiar to each other because of GB/WM being functionally the same, except only MCH has procs that occur fast enough for me to play reactively to it, BRD does not because it was not designed with cast times (and thus, a shorter buffer window inbetween each weaponskill)

Change in rotations and openers is a thing you should always be seeking if it improves your dps and WM is just that.

Not to notpick, but bard does not have a proper rotation. Infact, they're probably the least changed in 3.0 as far as their ability usage is concerned. They have nothing that acts as filler for downtime or new combo extensions where they have to keep in track of timers and skill usage (to not break their combo)

Especially after they've added the new HW abilities I've realized how simple and bare-bones the ARR BRD feels compared to other dps jobs.

And it still is, comparatively. As a fulltime bard main in 2.0 and having bard leveled to 60, they still play relatively the same with 2 extra skills to use, one skill that effectively replaces two, and an extremely situation buff. The only difference is the cast times, and all the problems that come with it because the original 2.0 archer trait/skills were not designed with cast times in mind.

And that says a lot about people who picked that version of the BRD as their "absolute favorite"; no worries though, I've also mained PLD because it lets me multitask while running my dailies.

Keep in mind that there's an incredibly big pool of bard players, some of which who have mained their class since 2.0. This topic has gone on for over 100 pages, and it's typically the same people that are still talking in it (that is, some of those who are unhappy because of reasons I've stated above). You're not exactly helping when you don't keep up with the discussion and generalizing (when those people who complain about movement, one I don't necessarily agree with, aren't even in the topic now)

[Neela]

Well im not whining about my bard, but i can understand people who are not happy with the groundbreaking HW changes of the bards-playstyle. bards were never meant to be dps-kings but they were the best class considering battlemovment. i would love a LP-Song or matk-reflect song rather than this 20% dmg buff. i also liked the bards arr lb more than this strange... aoe-in-line lb now but thats probably just me... after all i still think castbars dont fit bards atk-rotations or their playstyles - but you are right i dont think SE will change those skillmechanics in the near future and people should overthink if they still like this class or not. if you like arr style just use 1/5 of the hw skills or simple change class – but whining wont change anything.

just my personal opinion
Neela

[Aiselia]

2.X casual mode BRD

Funny, since 3.x is even more casual thanks to Iron Jaws making TP management so easy and cast bars limit what you can actually do with OGCDs.

instead of learning to enjoy it

You don't "learn to enjoy" something. You either enjoy it or you don't. I'm not paying them money for me to not enjoy something for months until I decide it's really okay.

Change in rotations and openers is a thing you should always be seeking if it improves your dps and WM is just that.

And we're seeking changes such as timing of straighter shot procs and missing BL procs during casts so that it improves our DPS. So I guess what you're saying is we should keep complaining because we should always be seeking changes to increase our DPS?

[Hontaro]

Take BLM for example, they've been having the firestarter thing since 2.0 and they never bothered correctthing it. Now it became a bit more of an issue because you couldn't sharp cast fire I and go straight into fire III; you'd still get the cast bar and mana cost. They even hot fixed that on 8/4/15

The issue they speak of is actually one I've never experienced. You still need to wait for the proc to "appear" before using Fire III, if you start casting Fire III immediately after sharpcasted Fire, you'd still hardcast it.

[RiceisNice]

The issue they speak of is actually one I've never experienced. You still need to wait for the proc to "appear" before using Fire III, if you start casting Fire III immediately after sharpcasted Fire, you'd still hardcast it.

Then it sounds like SE failed at just that. Your example is exactly what's happening with Bards atm with their straighter shot proc; it doesn't even appear until a split second after your weaponskill finishes its cooldown. All the worse because SS is a regular part of their shot cycle for refreshing the buff, and there's nothing more frustrating than hardcasting SS when you have the buff (you don't get the 100% crit rate either).