"Huge lack of tanks and healers in the game"

[Adventica6]

Most people that are a tank or healer have actual friends, so that's why you see them standing in town afk and capped and not playing with you.

[Amiaze]

Most people that are a tank or healer have actual friends, so that's why you see them standing in town afk and capped and not playing with you.

I think this is more or less the issue. It's no secret that duty finder groups can be extremely unpleasant. Everyone gets criticized, but tanks and healers simply can't skip out on responsibilities or miss a beat without the entire party feeling the reprecussions. DPS have responsibilities as well, but unless you're in the midst of a DPS-check, the party won't suffer because one person made a mistake in their rotation.

So when a tank or healer gets criticized...well, I don't want to say it means more, but it's taken to heart more. And, for the party, it can affect the entire run.

Truth be told, I almost never heal for anyone but my tank. It's not because I don't like healing for random people, but because I've had far too many tanks let me die and then blame me for "stealing aggro" on something in a mob while healing them, even though they never even attempted to snatch the enemy back and I said I needed help the moment I was attacked. I can and will heal for others, but it's mostly to boost my experience as a healer, not because I feel like running with randoms. I can't remember what thread it was, but someone else said, "Unsolicited advice is unwanted advice"*. Unfortunately, that's oftentimes very true. I rarely see players take advice in stride, even if it's something simple, like asking them to use Flash more instead of face-pulling mobs and allowing a healer to pull something away.


*Sorry to whoever said this if it isn't the exact quote.

[WingsOfAzrael]

healers not so much,tanks yes

[Hewenttojared]

In previous posts, you have identified yourself as a tank main several times. I have to ask, how much time have you spent spamming roulette dungeons for the sole purpose shortening dos queue times?

[Khalithar]

Put Esoteric tomes and add a few zeroes on to the gil reward for the adventurer in need bonus for Expert/Leveling, I'll queue on my 60 tank all day in that case!

[Hewenttojared]

Put Esoteric tomes and add a few zeroes on to the gil reward for the adventurer in need bonus for Expert/Leveling, I'll queue on my 60 tank all day in that case!

Totally, so would I. Was OP's point that adventure in need bonuses should be buffed? Im not sure that's 100% clear if it is. I'm just not sure i understand why OP believes every other tank is lengthening everyone else's que times by sitting around doing nothing.

[Khalithar]

Totally, so would I. Was OP's point that adventure in need bonuses should be buffed? Im not sure that's 100% clear if it is. I'm just not sure i understand why OP believes every other tank is lengthening everyone else's que times by sitting around doing nothing.

I think his point was that he sees tanks and healers hanging out and leveling out in the world all the time and yet they are constantly in need despite his experience being that they are the most numerous. That is my interpretation of his points.

My point is a separate one, I'm saying that the most effective solution to get more tanks and healers to queue up would be to buff the bonus to add more of an incentive for tanks to queue beyond their initial roulette. The Ex roulette and leveling roulette only give their eso bonus once a day and a 5400 gil reward each subsequent run. I'd say increase those rewards drastically would entice more tanks to queue.

[HolyGlassofWater]

This is absolutely ridiculous, this thread exploded out of nowhere. The amount of people that got offended by what I said is insane. Such irony is the fact that tanks aren't queing because of the shit they have to put up with, and then multiple people in this thread give me shit because they think I'm an entitled DPS. To those who didn't get offended, my post is not directed at you.

As you can see, the character I'm posting on is a god damn TANK CLASS. I did not make this post because I'm an entitled DPS, I'm sorry it came off that way. I even clarified in my second post that I wasn't trying to cause any controversy.

The character you see is my very first character I made in this game, and I haven't been on it for a while because I don't really like the Hyur race and gated heavensward content behind the massive amount of 2.1-2.5 story. I've made a couple others on Famfrit and I currently main that male-cat-race-thing with all 3 tank classes leveled up to the max. I love to tank, and I que up for roulettes constantly not just because I'm obsessed with shortening others que times, but just because I love instanced content in the game, at any level. Yes, even tam-tara deepcroft haha. As you can see in my post history, yes I've had trouble tanking before, that was more due to item level discrepancy when I hit 50 more than dealing with bad groups which 90% of the people seem to be having problems with here. Not to mention they were over a year ago when I was still kinda new.

I must be pretty lucky because the worst I got yelled at for was forgetting to turning on Sword Oath once and it didn't even really bother me that much because once I did, he stopped his rude language. I also had a few groups trying to force a speed run but they stopped with nothing more than a mere grumble when they saw it wasn't going to work. I mean who has time to wait for another tank when it would just be faster to finish with this lower geared one right?

But there was one thing that always stuck with me. And that was the fact that I had a healer once blame a DPS for something I KNOW I did wrong as a tank, but I kept my mouth shut. I felt bad for the poor guy, he probably would get flamed for making a post of how the tank screwed up but get slammed by the forums.

"But Holyglassofwater that's just your dumb anecdotes!"

Uhh, yes.. I understand that. I think a lot of you misunderstood why I posted this. Read my second post again. I posted this with a smile on my face and not a red bum. Do you people understand why I put this title in quotes? I expected this thread to go as far as maybe one or two pages of mildly amusing posts, not an entire report of "Tank Struggle: The Truth Behind Tanks and Duty Finder and the Bitchy Entitled OP."

I choose my words wrong, so I thought I would clarify here. Please look at the class this was posted on and don't treat me like I'm one of "those guys," or "just roll a tank of it makes you so mad." I wasn't angry, but after reading some of those overdramatic replies, I may be a little now. Give me a break. Maybe I shouldn't have posted on a tank class. "Blame the tank" am I right guys?

Oh, and my OP is tagged as "impotent rage." Lovely. If you read the OP again in a lighter manner. You probably won't see the rage.

[Mykll]

It's oddly refreshing to do world bosses and look for hunts, since those actually capitalize on the community aspect of the game. ... One of the reasons anyone plays a tank or healer is to be useful to a team of players.

Personal tastes. To me, world bosses, hunts, FATEs, are all the same. You are like a kitten chasing the red laser pointer across your map, zerging like a horde of locusts, not really doing anything but trying to cause as much agro as possible (tanks role, sure, but, super charged healer AOE heals purely to cause agro?). Not to mention the constant cries of "Please wait!" and everything that follows that. Hard to feel real useful to a team of players when everyone is out to cause as much agro as possible inside the mass zerg with a number of other tanks, instead of trying to do their jobs (tank, heal, DPS) and dealing with any mechanics and such.

I rarely see players take advice in stride, even if it's something simple, like asking them to use Flash more instead of face-pulling mobs and allowing a healer to pull something away.

I follow an easy rule of thumb when I heal. A tank can pull however way they want, but if the mob names are still the default orange (face pulled), instead of turning red (hey he actually got something beyond face pull agro on it) then he doesn't get a heal.

[HolyGlassofWater]

Can't believe this actually has a like, even if it is just the one. Such entitlement.

Try reading it as if I was laughing, it wasn't supposed to come off as entitled. I'm guilty of doing the same things and I main the Tank job.