Remove Cleric Stance as a cross class ability for healers.

[Zaresin]

If they take cleric stance away from SCH, you can say goodbye to any even remotly good DPS numbers. You may know how to "use" sch but you certainly do not know how to actually utilize it, if you don't see how vital cleric stance is to sch. Infact, i would go so far as to saying dpsing on sch is utterly useless without it.

Lol how do you know I don't know "how to utilize sch for dps"? I'm actually curious. I made a comment that I would be fine if they took cleric stance away from the other healers and made it whm exclusive. I actually think the chaos it would cause would be interesting and see how the community responds and works to overcome the obstical.

Unless you think sch would become useless without cleric stance. Not including ast as their dps isn't that great and makes them go oom faster than your unwanted pregnancy went down the toilet on prom night. If you think sch would become useless then this one skill is a crutch and quite possibly need to be looked at overall. But that's a different discussion.

[Risvertasashi]

If you think sch would become useless then this one skill is a crutch and quite possibly need to be looked at overall.

What is interesting is a number of groups essentially have the SCH play as an ARR summoner with a healing pet... and they only step out of cleric when it's completely unavoidable. A hypothetical removal of cleric stance... well, it would really upend that community.

[Blood-Aki]

Lol how do you know I don't know "how to utilize sch for dps"? I'm actually curious. I made a comment that I would be fine if they took cleric stance away from the other healers and made it whm exclusive. I actually think the chaos it would cause would be interesting and see how the community responds and works to overcome the obstical.

Unless you think sch would become useless without cleric stance. Not including ast as their dps isn't that great and makes them go oom faster than your unwanted pregnancy went down the toilet on prom night. If you think sch would become useless then this one skill is a crutch and quite possibly need to be looked at overall. But that's a different discussion.

Because SCHs dots are abysmal without Stance, so bad in fact you're actually just wasting MP doing them. I'm not sure how they can overcome that huge of a hit unless they compensated for it by making MND effect dots. and i can already see how OP that would be. They would have give something big to make up for taking CS, but it dosn't really matter, it isn't as if this will happen, ever. (The fact they took it away entierly for PVP is proof how huge of a difference it makes)

[Muahbec]

I really hate DPSing as a healer....i really do.
Of course, i DPS when i can, but i just feel uncomfortable doing it.
I'm that ultra protective healer who doesn't like to see the tank reaching 70% hp >_>
But as stated by a bunch of players(and myself) , instead of removing it just add a trait exclusive to WHMs, so WHMs will have the enhanced CS (Acc up when you use it or MP costs halved or crit chance increased or all of this.....whatever) and SCH/AST would have the normal one.
I think that's fair.

[Zaresin]

Because SCHs dots are abysmal without Stance, so bad in fact you're actually just wasting MP doing them. I'm not sure how they can overcome that huge of a hit unless they compensated for it by making MND effect dots. and i can already see how OP that would be. They would have give something big to make up for taking CS, but it dosn't really matter, it isn't as if this will happen, ever. (The fact they took it away entierly for PVP is proof how huge of a difference it makes)

Oh I agree with you. But it would be rather interesting. And don't sell this community short. The gamer community as a whole tends to be rather ingenious when it comes to overcoming obsticals.

[giantslayer]

Two quick points:

1. No one needs Cleric Stance leveling to 50 because low level gear usually gives equal amounts of MND and INT. Post 50, gear stats get specialized and CS becomes a true necessity.

2. Removing Cleric Stance and allowing Scholars to use MND for damage would actually be a nerf, not a buff, because CS grants a 10% damage buff in addition to swapping MND and INT.

[adn]

Nope. I play WHM and SCH, Cleric Stance is vital to both classes. If they wanted to buff Cleric Stance just for WHM they could give them a trait and I'd be OK with that.

The only change Cleric Stance needs is to be taken off the GCD.

[Sanguisio]

You could remove it as all healers bring healing tools which are good, dpsing is just a bonus.

will expand on this later

If you remove CS, you would just be straining the DPS/Tanks and enforcing gear gates.

[tjw]

The only change Cleric Stance needs is to be taken off the GCD.

Cleric Stance was never on the GCD. I think you mean remove the 5 second restriction for when you can cancel Cleric Stance.

Also AST dps is good, sch only beats it when they start using stacks for energy drains, but an AST would pull ahead in fights such as A2, A2S, A4, A4s and brief points in A3, A3S.

I think I just felt my eyes bleed from the amount of misinformation in this one sentence.

[MentheusDreyar]

Also AST dps is good, sch only beats it when they start using stacks for energy drains, but an AST would pull ahead in fights such as A2, A2S, A4, A4s and brief points in A3, A3S.

We are playing the same game right!? O_o because that's completely wrong. Forget the fact that SCH's will have more attacks casting/ticking away than AST at any one time, there's also the fact that SCH is guaranteed two attacks that will always hit, which is a major boost now we lack accuracy, good luck out dpsing a SCH when you cant hit! And don't forget that fact that you're going to be eating heavily into your MP very quickly, whereas SCH's are basically an MP battery and barely have to manage their MP combined with the fact most of their damage comes from their DOT's that they can have ticking while doing mechanics/healing, compared to the huge DPS loss AST will suffer if they have to stop to do something else.