What makes WHM special? Nothing anymore.

[Alahra]

To elaborate briefly, spell speed and and other effects that increase overall attack speed have little value for healing purposes; mechanics are scripted and very often telegraph themselves besides, so knowing when and how to heal (i.e. being good) largely negates the benefit of added speed, especially since most healing spells have low base casting times already.

And even if incoming damage were more constant and less predictable (a la WoW), Spell Speed would still generally be a poor stacking choice because you'd end up costing yourself more mana in the long run. Controlled boosts to casting speed like PoM can be quite useful in some situations, but stacking Speed as a stat is pretty much always going to be undesirably for a healer.

[KaelEmeritus]

WHM still the pinnacle main healer. In comparison to AST, its DPS is vastly superior. AST has a DoT and a single target skill comparable to ruin 2 with a longer cast time without speed modifiers. They were made this weak in contrast to their over all raid enhancing utility. Think about it. In 4-man content your still valued more, because you can support the party with HP, and output more dmg. In 8-man content you can do the same thing, and have a much easier time healing then say an AST would with all its micro managing.

WHM is still the premiere class for progression healing. You do your job well given your tool kit, and you have an easier time doing it then an AST or SCH, who has more then just healing and DPS to worry about.

[Nobleeyes]

Because it is a Japanese, it may be hard to read a sentence.
How about what I lose HOT of the asylum and add HP10%?.
I'm MHM, now uses a seal, regen,asylum by a BOSS war now to make money for with a set for several seconds between time of the attack. However, is asylum necessary?
Then is the effect that relatively resembled reduction by HP increase provided if I make the chisel HP10% increase in the range of the asylum while there is not reduction?

18000 is no use in a whole range of BOSS, and assume HP of oneself to have been around 16,500
①As for 10% of study fortune-telling, 16200, remainder HP are 300 cover no use by reduction
②Though the white is not strong without HP18150, cover useless reduction by HP10% increase to 18000, remainder HP150 there, can survive even white; is ranked?

[Fevelle]

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I think I got what's your idea. a 10% HP bonus for everyone inside Asylum for 24 seconds so we could have a better margin for heals and the chances of the tank being one-shotted by some buster or the party wiped by raid damage minimized. That's quite the good idea, but I really, REALLY doubt SE would do something like this because it can pottentially break some mechanics. I might be wrong, tho

[Nobleeyes]

There does not seem to be the meaning seemingly to use that I cannot reduce because there is not time to take HP to MAX when I say whether it is 20% reduction if I cover with a scholar and an astrologer.
However, a scholar ran out of a flow. I think with (I restore large damage with increase in quantity in asylum setting → assize in recovery → quickness cureIII) which becomes the insurance when an astrologer is not in time.
I only put cureIII together while thinking that I will die if a scholar fails, but the mistake of the scholar is covered so far, too.
This becomes one of the white pride to me.
Because I keep it because I can turn an assize, the quickness elsewhere if reduction is enough and can put it, I change a behavior pattern by the situation and think that a fight of WHM becomes interesting.

[winsock]

Maybe understand that all of the heals you listed were oGCD heals, and all in the instances of the quotes you were responding to were as well.

Lightspeed has its uses during movement phases, but Bene II proc is very rarely useful, especially compared to Freecure procs, which are always useful.

Benediction is rarely useful. It only has the potential of being useful every 5 mins. The decreased cost of benefic II is always useful whereas you must proc freecure. If you're struggling with AST MP, try to set yourself up with a good ewer combination then shoot for AoE dmg increases more often when you get better at MP management.

I was talking about insta-heals. But if it makes you feel better to thing otherwise, go ahead.

[Tint]

WHM has, on average, 6 instant (single-target) heals available over 5 minutes and AST has 7 if used on CD, so "availability" of oGCD heals is still nearly identical. If you want to include Assize (a tool that AST has no equal to), WHM has 9 instant heals available and AST still only has 7 over 5 minutes. At 8 minutes, WHM has 13 available while AST has 12, and at 10 minutes WHM has 18 and AST has 15. So your argument that AST has more instant-heals available than WHM is also incorrect.

your problem is you are comparing off-gcd skills with instant heals and think it's the same. yes, the whm has more off-gcd heals. but the astro has more instants.

[Lastelli]

your problem is you are comparing off-gcd skills with instant heals and think it's the same. yes, the whm has more off-gcd heals. but the astro has more instants.

There's no point in comparing instant heals putting togheter instant spells and instant skills. Aspected benefic is no more instant than regen. The only instant heals an ast has are AB and dignity, benefic ii procs are a completely different thing, they are random and using them basically leaves you doing nothing for 2 gcds.

[GideonHighmourn]

your problem is you are comparing off-gcd skills with instant heals and think it's the same. yes, the whm has more off-gcd heals. but the astro has more instants.

No? All of the skills being discussed are oGCD skills. Instant heals (that aren't oGCD) make no difference to throughput, and only front-load healing.

Winsock, I have no clue where you get the idea that somehow Enhanced Benefic II proc are always useful and somehow Freecure procs aren't. Benefic II is the least used skill on my AST. You say use Ewer for MP, while discounting Freecure procs as being "RNG"; using Ewer on yourself further removes your group utility as AST. It's fine to do, but for every Ewer you use, you may as well be bringing a WHM since they have more reliable Mp management and superior healing, since you're essentially giving up any sort of group utility for the period of time.

Arguing that Enhanced Benefic II is better than Freecure is easily the most laughable thing I've ever seen. And yes, you specifically listed all oGCD skills in your comparison, in response to a post talking about oGCD skills, and then acted like you were talking about instants; if you were speaking of instants, sure you would've mentioned Lightspeed and Ehnanched Benefic II in the first place and I would've told you that they aren't the same thing and make no measurable difference in healing throughout.

As mentioned, instant heals (that aren't oGCD) mean very very little outside of how the class "feels" in terms of flavor. Of course AST has more access to instant heals, I would never argue against that, but it means nothing other than front-loaded healing; AST doesn't benefit, throughput wise, from any of their non-oGCD instant heals. Which is one of the why WHM is still the king of burst healing, because they have more access to oGCD instant heals coupled with a more powerful and more available way to increase throughput (Divine Seal), all while having more reliable MP management.

[Moqi]

Pure healing and pure damage. I love whm because it has simple spells that hurt and heal a lot. There are a couple of dot/hot here and there but when you're holy bombing or topping the whole raid after a huge hit with one cure III that's where it shines.

I hope they keep going in this direction.Some utilty is fine but I hope they keep it as "pure" as it can be: no rotation to memorize, stacks to keep track of... I enjoy scholar but nothing beats whm. I tried some dps and I hated all of them. Whm is the only class where it feels like every fight is different rather than memorizing a script and adapting it to different aoes on the ground.