Why are DPS so upset about tanks coming close to their DPS?

[karateorangutang]

The answer to this is obvious: people don't like it when other people do their job. Especially if they do their 2 jobs at once. The end - no grand theorizing necessary.

Except no tank is out DPS'ing a competent DPS...

So... yeah.

[ElanVelius]

The answer to this is obvious: people don't like it when other people do their job. Especially if they do their 2 jobs at once. The end - no grand theorizing necessary.

You mean staying on the mobs as much as possible doing proper rotations while avoiding any and all AoE so as not to tax the healers? Yeah, I hate having to do DPS's job on top of my own. Allow me to clean your statement a bit:

The answer to this is obvious: people don't like it when other people can do their job far better than they can. Especially if it's not even due to class mechanics but their own ineptitude. The end - no grand theorizing necessary.

[Ilyanat]

What parses are you reading that makes you think you come in the top 4?

[cgbspender]

Dps should be dodging a lot of the attacks, while a tank only has to dodge the critical hits. This only could justify the difference in DPS. The difference on a small pack of trash will seem insignificant. Compare this to a 12-minutes raid where every dps has to run around dodging, and yeah, I'm not surprised the difference could be 300, despite the most optimal damage output by the actual damage dealers.

[Destyno]

pvp is nice!!!

[Dement]

Dps should be dodging a lot of the attacks, while a tank only has to dodge the critical hits. This only could justify the difference in DPS. The difference on a small pack of trash will seem insignificant. Compare this to a 12-minutes raid where every dps has to run around dodging, and yeah, I'm not surprised the difference could be 300, despite the most optimal damage output by the actual damage dealers.

No... just no. The reason a DPS is doing 300 less than a tank has nothing whatsoever to do with uptime on the target and everything to do with some DPSer's incredibly flawed rotation. There is no excuse for doing 300 DPS less than the tank (or any less than the tank for that matter, while a tank can come close to DPS numbers, actually competent DPSers should still win hands down everytime). In a raid (savage) the tank is likely going to have to spend more time in tank stance (automatic 25% or so dock to their damage) or if the encounter does allow them to swap into DPS stance, they'll have to dodge just as much as the other DPS because they won't have the inherent additional eHP. In Deliverance with full slaying accessories, I'm only maybe 1-2k more HP than DRG/MNK/NIN so I don't have the cushion to just absorb the blows that I could in Defiance.

[Twilite]

Uhm.. yes, just yes. Because TOO much moving(to the point where the amount is more than required) can screw with your DPS. I've been out'd by a tank before(and I never beat DRGs but they are very strong anyway) as I know I tend to move unnecessarily and been working on that.

[Dement]

Uhm.. yes, just yes. Because TOO much moving(to the point where the amount is more than required) can screw with your DPS. I've been out'd by a tank before(and I never beat DRGs but they are very strong anyway) as I know I tend to move unnecessarily and been working on that.

Moving absolutely does screw with your DPS, no one is going to deny that ever. However, you would have to be doing an absolutely ludicrous amount of non-necessary movement to drop your DPS down 300 below that of the tank, which is a flawed rotation. That's not how the comment I replied to was framed either, it was framed as a "this is the reason why a lot of DPS are so far below the tank", which is absolutely not true because if you're doing your job optimally, there's no reason a tank should win ever. They may come close but they should never win.

[randysquirrel]

I don't know what content you are referring to, but if a tank is out-dpsing the dps, in my experience it's because the dps is crap and has no idea that they are, rather than the dps being decent and the tank being fantastically awesome.

Don't get me wrong, tanks certainly put out a significant amount of dps, but if it genuinely is higher than the dps, those dps are abysmal.

[Neophyte]

Except no tank is out DPS'ing a competent DPS...

So... yeah.

An excellent DPS will near to never compensate a bad tank in almost all content. The other way round.. well.


Why should a game with trinity be designed in a way, that one job can be compensated by the other too, only slowing content down (instead of wiping, as it happens when tank/heals are bad).

Hm, maybe we just need more dps-checks, which can't be done by the tank (e.g. Boss has to stay in some position (mandatory) and adds far away must be killed asap), idk.
With some more effort than all those 1-hit-adds like in Fractal pls.